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    Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    A federal judge on Tuesday told police temporarily to stop issuing tickets to Occupy Cincinnati demonstrators camping out in a city park, while the protesters’ lawyers and city leaders try to hammer out an agreement on issues in the protesters’ federal lawsuit against the city.
    On Tuesday night, the group’s General Assembly met for two hours in the Main Library, overlooking their demonstration site, Piatt Park, as a thunderstorm rolled through. The group turned down a “settlement offer” from the city and agreed to submit a counter-proposal, said Geoffrey M. Miller, an attorney representing the protesters.
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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    I am now BEYOND confused. On what basis did a federal judge TRO the City of Cincinnati against enforcing tickets to clear its parks after-hours? On what basis did the OWS protestors tell a reporter to leave a meeting to discuss the issue with the city? Where does the city AND the OWS'ers get off keeping the settlement offer, which is in writing, a secret from the public?

    So basically, what we have here is a unconstitutional action by a federal judge, to protect the freedom of speech of the OWS'ers, who in turn denied the public THEIR freedom of speech rights to know what they're negotiating with the city.

    Raise your hand if this confuses you, too.

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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    I am now BEYOND confused. On what basis did a federal judge TRO the City of Cincinnati against enforcing tickets to clear its parks after-hours? On what basis did the OWS protestors tell a reporter to leave a meeting to discuss the issue with the city? Where does the city AND the OWS'ers get off keeping the settlement offer, which is in writing, a secret from the public?


    Good point. I can understand the judge making this ruling because similiar rulings are handed down all the time but the negotiations should be public as they are dealing with a public space.

    So basically, what we have here is a unconstitutional action by a federal judge, to protect the freedom of speech of the OWS'ers, who in turn denied the public THEIR freedom of speech rights to know what they're negotiating with the city.

    Raise your hand if this confuses you, too.
    Telling the police to not issue tickets until this is resolved is not unconstitutional. Keeping this all secret bothers me.

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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Telling the police to not issue tickets until this is resolved is not unconstitutional. Keeping this all secret bothers me.
    I can agree with this. I don't find anything they did to be particularly "unconstitutional", but it should be public.
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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Just taking a guess here, but I think the secrecy involves
    1) the two groups trying to seek a fair settlement for both parties
    2) both groups trying to save face with regards to their responsibilities to those they represent
    3) trying to prohibit instigation from outside sources, such as bloggers, who may make the tension worse even though they have nothing to do with that situation

    There's a lot going on right now, and I think the last thing either side needs or wants is speculation about what the settlement should be. Better for them to come up with a settlement that is mutually beneficial and once they come to it both parties can address it and go by it.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Huh? Why should the law "settle?"

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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by Reg View Post
    Huh? Why should the law "settle?"
    Because there's a number of questions with regards to the legality of the laws.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by Reg View Post
    Huh? Why should the law "settle?"
    The protesters own the land also. There is nothing to gain by either side digging in their heels.

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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    The protesters don't own the land. It's a public park governed by police powers they consent to.

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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    This is a preliminary injunction. It's pretty standard. If there's an allegation of damage, and provable risk of further damage, the activity in question is often ordered to stop until the issue is resolved.

    As for the "secrecy" thing. The city and the protesters chose not to release the information. They have that right. The content of negotiations like this are very seldom released to the public. In terms of legal procedure, there is nothing unusual going on here.
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