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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

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    Are you Occupying Cincinnati, Simon?
    Hell no. I am busy.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Also, most Cincinnati city parks have events scheduled for the next couple of weeks, so people can enjoy Halloween, or the fall color, or whatnot -- especially since winter is coming.

    Are the folks who wanted to attend such events relegated to the "less important" pile because the OWS'ers want to face off with the city and pee in the bushes? In other words, what about the rights of the people who hoped to use these parks as parks?
    The rights of the OWS'ers override the rights of everyone else.
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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    filed on behalf of "Occupy cincinnati" to stop the CPD from actually enforcing a reasonable law that was on the books
    Reasonable? Maybe. But I would say that reasonable in and of itself may not cut it when the larger rights at stake are protest, dissent, assembly, redress, speech, press, privacy, arms, etc..
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Maybe this was covered past here, but this is as far as I've got so far. Due process. I do not know what they outcome of the lawsuit will be but this is how lawsuits are routinely handled. All actions and proceedings are temporarily stopped until a ruling is made. Yes, the judge could have perhaps ruled "fine them" but a judge rarely likes getting overruledwhen he hasn't even heard the entire arguement yet. This is likely in the best interest of the city also. The people have a right to protest. I understand that there are rules governing the parkBUT it may be in the best interest to allow them to protest in the park as opposed to the sidewalk, street or in the halls of the city building.
    Perry, a TRO is an extraordinary remedy. It is supposed to only be granted when the rights of the parties will be irreparably harmed by the time litigation is finished AND the moving party can make a showing that there is a substantial likelihood of success.

    In this case, I'd say the "likelihood of success" at trial of proving any Cincinnati park ordinance to be unconstitutional is about 1 in 1 Million. This TRO should NOT have been granted.

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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Reasonable? Maybe. But I would say that reasonable in and of itself may not cut it when the larger rights at stake are protest, dissent, assembly, redress, speech, press, privacy, arms, etc..
    "Reasonable time, place and manner restrictions" is the essence of constitutional government restrictions on freedom of speech or assembly. If the city meets this burden, and IMO, they certainly will, then the OWS'ers lose.

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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The rights of the OWS'ers override the rights of everyone else.
    Apparently so. They must be very speshell.


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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Perry, a TRO is an extraordinary remedy. It is supposed to only be granted when the rights of the parties will be irreparably harmed by the time litigation is finished AND the moving party can make a showing that there is a substantial likelihood of success.

    In this case, I'd say the "likelihood of success" at trial of proving any Cincinnati park ordinance to be unconstitutional is about 1 in 1 Million. This TRO should NOT have been granted.
    agreed and Judge Dlott is probably in error when she says that the plaintiffs are likely to prevail on the merits

    these types of laws have been upheld hundreds of times meaning that a facial challenge of the law is probably doomed

    the other grounds would be a finding that it is not likely the plaintiffs violated the law which of course is bunk



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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The rights of the OWS'ers override the rights of everyone else.
    If someone had forced a Tea Party rally to disperse so that kids could trick-or-treat, you'd be screaming bloody murder about how DESCENT IS THE HIGHEST FORM OF PATRIOTIC (sic)
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    JUDGE DLOTT HAS lifted the stay and the protestors are NOW BEING TICKETED at 105 bucks a shot.

    Good. She upheld the ordinance now.

    they are interviewing some really clueless clowns who have no clue about time and manner restrictions which are usually upheld

    The city of cincinnati has wasted a lot of money dealing with these turds-with over 25,000 in fines mounting up, hopefully they can get some of it back



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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    If someone had forced a Tea Party rally to disperse so that kids could trick-or-treat, you'd be screaming bloody murder about how DESCENT IS THE HIGHEST FORM OF PATRIOTIC (sic)
    remind me where the tea party violated curfews and park closing rules?



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