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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The law is still on the books... I understand your point, but because politics has entered into it doesn't mean the law is null and void. You and I both know it may take months or years to overturn a law or to get politicians to amend that law. It also depends on the law...
    it's not void, but it's been put on hold. It's suspended for the time being. As such, it's no longer a valid law which gives power to the police to enforce. The police cannot enforce a suspended law. It's part of the standard checks and balances we have on our system. It would be dangerous, IMO, to state that cops can enforce any law they want regardless of judiciary review.
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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    I am now BEYOND confused. On what basis did a federal judge TRO the City of Cincinnati against enforcing tickets to clear its parks after-hours? On what basis did the OWS protestors tell a reporter to leave a meeting to discuss the issue with the city? Where does the city AND the OWS'ers get off keeping the settlement offer, which is in writing, a secret from the public?

    So basically, what we have here is a unconstitutional action by a federal judge, to protect the freedom of speech of the OWS'ers, who in turn denied the public THEIR freedom of speech rights to know what they're negotiating with the city.

    Raise your hand if this confuses you, too.

    Chief Judge Susan Dlott is the wife of huge Dem donor Stan Chesley who is currently facing disbarment proceedings in KY over a case where he claimed fees of over ten million dollars for 20 hours of work. CJ Dlott is well liked by us who practice in federal courts but she does have a history of bending over backwards to rule against the police in Cincinnati including the "collective agreement" that took place after an unarmed youth-with 14 minor warrants-fled a cop for a long middle of the night foot chase that resulted in the officer fatally shooting Timothy Thomas when Thomas became cornered and went to yank his falling pants up. this lead to massive black riots and a wave of black on black murders as the police sopped aggressively patrolling the high crime black areas of "over the rhine" area of Cincinnati. Dlott also awarded substantial damages against the CPD over alleged hostile treatment of a transgendered police sgt. In other words, of the five judges that were available, the protestors got the best possible pick, senior Judge Sandra Beckwith is married to a retired CPD Lt and has a reputation of not putting up with any crap from miscreants. Nor does Sr Judge Herman Weber. Senior Judge Spiegel is a liberal but follows the law scrupulously. THe youngest Judge in Cincinnati is Mike Barrett-part of the family that owns the Western Southern LIfe insurance company and runs the Barrett Cancer center. He's fairly easy going but the protestors' act would quickly wear thin with him



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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Why can't you people side with law enforcement? What the hell kind of untouchables do you think you are?

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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by Reg View Post
    Why can't you people side with law enforcement? What the hell kind of untouchables do you think you are?
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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by Reg View Post
    Why can't you people side with law enforcement? What the hell kind of untouchables do you think you are?
    Why can't you side with the Republic?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Chief Judge Susan Dlott is the wife of huge Dem donor Stan Chesley who is currently facing disbarment proceedings in KY over a case where he claimed fees of over ten million dollars for 20 hours of work. CJ Dlott is well liked by us who practice in federal courts but she does have a history of bending over backwards to rule against the police in Cincinnati including the "collective agreement" that took place after an unarmed youth-with 14 minor warrants-fled a cop for a long middle of the night foot chase that resulted in the officer fatally shooting Timothy Thomas when Thomas became cornered and went to yank his falling pants up. this lead to massive black riots and a wave of black on black murders as the police sopped aggressively patrolling the high crime black areas of "over the rhine" area of Cincinnati. Dlott also awarded substantial damages against the CPD over alleged hostile treatment of a transgendered police sgt. In other words, of the five judges that were available, the protestors got the best possible pick, senior Judge Sandra Beckwith is married to a retired CPD Lt and has a reputation of not putting up with any crap from miscreants. Nor does Sr Judge Herman Weber. Senior Judge Spiegel is a liberal but follows the law scrupulously. THe youngest Judge in Cincinnati is Mike Barrett-part of the family that owns the Western Southern LIfe insurance company and runs the Barrett Cancer center. He's fairly easy going but the protestors' act would quickly wear thin with him
    Excellent post!

    Now, can you please tell me, what do these OWS'ers want? And if they have no leaders but are instead a spontaneous uprising of disaffected citizens, then who decided to exclude the reporter from the meeting? Who refused the city's settlement offer?

    For that matter, who sought a TRO against the city on their behalf?

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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by Reg View Post
    The protesters don't own the land. It's a public park governed by police powers they consent to.
    They are not a part of the public?

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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Excellent post!

    Now, can you please tell me, what do these OWS'ers want? And if they have no leaders but are instead a spontaneous uprising of disaffected citizens, then who decided to exclude the reporter from the meeting? Who refused the city's settlement offer?

    For that matter, who sought a TRO against the city on their behalf?
    an attorney filed the request-some guy I don't know (Geoffrey Miller)

    filed on behalf of "Occupy cincinnati" to stop the CPD from actually enforcing a reasonable law that was on the books


    the attorney went to capital university which doesn't mean much-it is not rated very highly but its the night school option in Columbus and night schools often draw highly talented people who have to work while going to law school. a search of Miller shows he has been a member of the Ohio bar for 9 years and does general stuff- criminal,divorce, PI, family law

    the local news just announced that a "major ruling has been issued by the judge-I will try to find out what happened
    I suspect if this goes on the City will take an emergency appeal to the 6th Circuit which tends to be less friendly to such stuff than the most liberal of 5 judges on the Cincinnati federal bench



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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    an attorney filed the request-some guy I don't know (Geoffrey Miller)

    filed on behalf of "Occupy cincinnati" to stop the CPD from actually enforcing a reasonable law that was on the books


    the attorney went to capital university which doesn't mean much-it is not rated very highly but its the night school option in Columbus and night schools often draw highly talented people who have to work while going to law school. a search of Miller shows he has been a member of the Ohio bar for 9 years and does general stuff- criminal,divorce, PI, family law

    the local news just announced that a "major ruling has been issued by the judge-I will try to find out what happened
    I suspect if this goes on the City will take an emergency appeal to the 6th Circuit which tends to be less friendly to such stuff than the most liberal of 5 judges on the Cincinnati federal bench
    Greatly appreciated, Turtle. And if you get a clue as to what these people want, will you pass that along as well? I myself have no freakin' idea.


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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    But, they not being told they can't assemble. They're being told they can't camp. There's the potential to create a bio-hazard in that environment, which could be detrimental to the, "general welfare".
    Maybe this was covered past here, but this is as far as I've got so far. Due process. I do not know what they outcome of the lawsuit will be but this is how lawsuits are routinely handled. All actions and proceedings are temporarily stopped until a ruling is made. Yes, the judge could have perhaps ruled "fine them" but a judge rarely likes getting overruledwhen he hasn't even heard the entire arguement yet. This is likely in the best interest of the city also. The people have a right to protest. I understand that there are rules governing the parkBUT it may be in the best interest to allow them to protest in the park as opposed to the sidewalk, street or in the halls of the city building.
    Last edited by 1Perry; 10-19-11 at 11:37 PM.

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