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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    But, they not being told they can't assemble. They're being told they can't camp. There's the potential to create a bio-hazard in that environment, which could be detrimental to the, "general welfare".
    They are being told they cannot assemble on public property for certain time periods, which has no restriction on how they can then define those hours. I do not believe that people camping overnight in a park has any detrimental effect of general welfare.
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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

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    Show us in the Constitution where illegally camping out is protected. Thanks in advance.
    Well, they aren't illegally camping out.

    What they are doing is peacefully assembling and petitioning the government for redress of grievances.

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    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

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    They are being told they cannot assemble on public property for certain time periods, which has no restriction on how they can then define those hours. I do not believe that people camping overnight in a park has any detrimental effect of general welfare.
    It is, if people start getting sick, which could potentially spread disease to other citizens. That's why municipalities don't allow people to just run their sewer lines into the road ditch.
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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

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    Well, they aren't illegally camping out.

    What they are doing is peacefully assembling and petitioning the government for redress of grievances.
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    A federal judge on Tuesday told police temporarily to stop issuing tickets to Occupy Cincinnati demonstrators camping out in a city park
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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

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    Yes. The legality of the police issuing tickets is in dispute. Because those campers may not be performing an illegal act. And, if not, then they are not assembling there illegally.
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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It is, if people start getting sick, which could potentially spread disease to other citizens. That's why municipalities don't allow people to just run their sewer lines into the road ditch.
    But it's limited in range, it's not a general detrimental effect which could then be ascribed to general welfare. Assuming that what you say is even true. The ability to protest and redress the government must be upheld to its maximum.
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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Yes. The legality of the police issuing tickets is in dispute. Because those campers may not be performing an illegal act. And, if not, then they are not assembling there illegally.
    There's a city ordinance against camping in the park. i.e. camping in the park is illegal.
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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    But it's limited in range, it's not a general detrimental effect which could then be ascribed to general welfare. Assuming that what you say is even true. The ability to protest and redress the government must be upheld to its maximum.
    No one is telling them they can't protest. They're only telling them they can't protest when the park is closed.
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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There's a city ordinance against camping in the park. i.e. camping in the park is illegal.
    Which may be deemed as unconstitutional since it hinders those protestors' ability to peacefully assemble and to protest the government for redress of grievances.
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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Which may be deemed as unconstitutional since it hinders those protestors' ability to peacefully assemble and to protest the government for redress of grievances.
    The government tends not to be in operation, at least the people who make the rules, after 10pm.
    Plus people camping in a public city park interferes with the right of other people to "peaceably assemble" in the same space.
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