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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by Reg View Post
    Judges swear to uphold the law and defend the Constitution.

    They can't arbitrarily make up **** as they go along.

    Otherwise, there are no laws, only men.
    So you support these judges efforts to protect the protesters right to free assembly then?
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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

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    Please don't confuse "authoritarian" with "uninformed."
    I don't believe his position to line up with the latter, but rather the former. He is defining everything through the use of State force, not focused on the rights and liberties of the individual.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by Reg View Post
    Judges swear to uphold the law and defend the Constitution.

    They can't arbitrarily make up **** as they go along.

    Otherwise, there are no laws, only men.
    And yet this is a situation where city ordinances are butting up against First Amendment rights. The judge is following his vow to uphold the constitution.

    This is an entirely routine action by judiciary, and is COMPLETELY LEGAL. This is business as usual and how our legal system actually works. I'm sorry if you just really hate these people, Reg, but that's no excuse to trample on due process.
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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by Reg View Post
    Judges swear to uphold the law and defend the Constitution.

    They can't arbitrarily make up **** as they go along.

    Otherwise, there are no laws, only men.
    Are they though? I think the Constitution says a little something something about assembly. Perchance a bit of "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

    They are looking at this as an issue of law against one's right to peaceful assembly. It's proper review and oversight. The government in general is not the end all be all of all power and sovereignty. That comes from The People. The government was split into three and given oversight over the other two branches to ensure that law respects the implicit and natural restrictions on government force against freedom.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    I am now BEYOND confused. On what basis did a federal judge TRO the City of Cincinnati against enforcing tickets to clear its parks after-hours? On what basis did the OWS protestors tell a reporter to leave a meeting to discuss the issue with the city? Where does the city AND the OWS'ers get off keeping the settlement offer, which is in writing, a secret from the public?

    So basically, what we have here is a unconstitutional action by a federal judge, to protect the freedom of speech of the OWS'ers, who in turn denied the public THEIR freedom of speech rights to know what they're negotiating with the city.

    Raise your hand if this confuses you, too.
    I'm not the least bit confused. This is how Liberalism operates.
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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    And yet this is a situation where city ordinances are butting up against First Amendment rights. The judge is following his vow to uphold the constitution.

    This is an entirely routine action by judiciary, and is COMPLETELY LEGAL. This is business as usual and how our legal system actually works. I'm sorry if you just really hate these people, Reg, but that's no excuse to trample on due process.
    Does that mean this same judge can be called upon to stick up for anyone who is cited under this ordinance, from now until eternity?
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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I'm not the least bit confused. This is how Liberalism operates.
    You mean in defense of people's constitutional rights?
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    You mean in defense of people's constitutional rights?
    Show us in the Constitution where illegally camping out is protected. Thanks in advance.

    No one is telling these people they can't assemble, they telling them they can't camp out on city property.

    Assembling and camping are two different things.
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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Assembling and camping are two different things.
    And assembly and protest, being well more important, should be held above "camping" conveniences.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    And assembly and protest, being well more important, should be held above "camping" conveniences.
    But, they not being told they can't assemble. They're being told they can't camp. There's the potential to create a bio-hazard in that environment, which could be detrimental to the, "general welfare".
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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