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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Always helpful, bull**** internet threats of violence.

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    Pinkie, I'm not sure if you've heard the comments from one of Boston's former Mayors on the Occupy Boston group. Basically he's said that the current Mayor should have given the group 24 hours and then removed them by force if necessary. I totally agree (except for the giving them 24 hours part). These people are a waste of time, energy, flesh, and oxygen. They add NOTHING to the political of philosophical discourse. They've already cost the City of Boston well over $2 Million. At what point are they required to follow the rules, or get the spanking they so richly deserve before being sent to bed without dinner like the five year olds they portray themselves as?

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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Pinkie, I'm not sure if you've heard the comments from one of Boston's former Mayors on the Occupy Boston group. Basically he's said that the current Mayor should have given the group 24 hours and then removed them by force if necessary. I totally agree (except for the giving them 24 hours part). These people are a waste of time, energy, flesh, and oxygen. They add NOTHING to the political of philosophical discourse. They've already cost the City of Boston well over $2 Million. At what point are they required to follow the rules, or get the spanking they so richly deserve before being sent to bed without dinner like the five year olds they portray themselves as?
    We can certainly debate the quality of city government/law enforcement's response to OWSers across the country. Here in Cleveland, our mayor threatened to clear them off and then reniged. I also think he looks weak. The OWSers here are occupying Public Square, a downtown thoroughfare used by vehicles. They are impeding traffic.

    They have been offered a space on the sidewalk, even to the point of preventing other pedestrians from using it, as well as a park space. They've rejected both. The first is not going to inconvenience enough people, and the second is too cold, because it is near Lake Erie.

    What crap...our mayor should have them arrested.

    I think there's a national paralysis as to what to do, as every mayor seems to fear any sort of conflict between police and the OWSers....and I think the OWSers continue to escalate their law-breaking, hoping for just such a confrontation. I also think these are mostly young white people, with no clue, who are being used as cannon fodder...and when I read that some OWSers are taking their babies to these events, it infuriates me. WTH takes a baby to a cold, weeks-long camping trip in October that it is hoped will turn violent?


    Story on the "Occupy Cleveland" foolishness:

    Comments on City says Occupy Cleveland can protest on Public Square, but can't set up tents | Business - Page 3 -
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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    We can certainly debate the quality of city government/law enforcement's response to OWSers across the country. Here in Cleveland, our mayor threatened to clear them off and then reniged. I also think he looks weak. The OWSers here are occupying Public Square, a downtown thoroughfare used by vehicles. They are impeding traffic.
    I'll speak for Boston, where it's been a total farce. The CITY is paying for their garbage collection, their electricity, the BPD overtime, etc... Mayor Menino looks like a farce because everyone knows he's on the side of the Occupiers. He isn't even TALKING a strong game.

    I've got an idea for you folks in Cincy..... RUN THEM DOWN if they get in the way of your car. I know that's what I'd do.

    The closest "City" to me is Worcester, MA; home of TEN Colleges & Univer sities. Their "Occupy" movement has less than 100 people despite Worcester being the second largest population city in New England. I've been told the groups in Providence and Hartford have more people, as does the one in Manchester, NH.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    They have been offered a space on the sidewalk, even to the point of preventing other pedestrians from using it, as well as a park space. They've rejected both. The first is not going to inconvenience enough people, and the second is too cold, because it is near Lake Erie.

    What crap...our mayor should have them arrested.
    Arrested or forcibly removed. I bet 25 National Guardsmen ordered to "Fix Bayonets" would be enough to run these punks off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    I think there's a national paralysis as to what to do, as every mayor seems to fear any sort of conflict between police and the OWSers....and I think the OWSers continue to escalate their law-breaking, hoping for just such a confrontation. I also think these are mostly young white people, with no clue, who are being used as cannon fodder...and when I read that some OWSers are taking their babies to these events, it infuriates me. WTH takes a baby to a cold, weeks-long camping trip in October that it is hoped will turn violent?
    You're right that they're mostly young people with no clue being egged on by a bunch of professional protestors/anarchists. The baby thing shouldn't surprise you, these are the same people for whom it's just a bunch of cells until it's born, they don't understand what kids are to begin with. As for the violence... the organizers want that but the masses don't have the heart for blood any more than the Tea Partiers do. Both movements are unwilling to shed blood or to have their own spilled, and that's why both movements have/will fail.

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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Tigger you make a valid point.... And while we are at it lets apply the same logic to all aspects of society...

    1. Confiscate all privately held firearms, I mean hell there is no denying that there is a significant cost to society due to gun violence
    2. Ban religion, I mean there are sexual abuse scandals and and numerous cases of fraud on behalf of tele-vangelists
    3. Ya know what cost a metric ****-ton, our judicial system. Who needs due process anyways... I mean if the government thinks you are guilty you must be right?
    4. We can eliminate all housing costs for our troops by simply garrisoning them in our citizens homes.
    5. And come to think of it, this whole thing started by a bunch of lefties complaining as this could be considered the root cause.... we should just not allow speech that government doesn't like as well
    okay absurdity and sarcasm over.....

    I mean as a conservative you can't honestly be in favor of government subverting, and by threat of violence mind you, individual protections provided by the first amendment to the United States Constitution, are you? <--- hoping for an answer to this

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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    You're right that they're mostly young people with no clue being egged on by a bunch of professional protestors/anarchists. The baby thing shouldn't surprise you, these are the same people for whom it's just a bunch of cells until it's born, they don't understand what kids are to begin with. As for the violence... the organizers want that but the masses don't have the heart for blood any more than the Tea Partiers do. Both movements are unwilling to shed blood or to have their own spilled, and that's why both movements have/will fail.
    There's been some video of OBVIOUSLY bad police conduct out of NYC; I think it was hoped there'd be more in other cities. Nothing along the lines of cracking heads, but tazing, clearly unwarranted arrests, etc. Though of late, that seems to have leveled off.

    I know nothing about Boston's political climate, but both Cleveland and Cincinnati have Democratic mayors (the one on Cleveland is owned and operated by the Democratic party machine here in Cuyahoga County like a ventriloquist's puppet, and I am exaggerating that not ONE BIT).

    There seems to be some bizarre-o belief among these "professional Democrats" that the OWSers and their bad bahevior will help get Obama re-elected. (I can't follow that reasoning AT ALL.)

    So, many people are "using" the nitwits at these protests for their own political gain...and the young people apparently haven't got the wits to see that they're being used. It's very sad, and my own fear is, we'll have a tragedy before this is over -- an elderly person dead of pnemonia, or a baby lost in the crowd, etc. It's all just such senseless aggravation IMO, to almost all concerned -- except to the "professional" Democrats and their pet Billionaire, Soros.
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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    There's been some video of OBVIOUSLY bad police conduct out of NYC; I think it was hoped there'd be more in other cities. Nothing along the lines of cracking heads, but tazing, clearly unwarranted arrests, etc. Though of late, that seems to have leveled off.
    While I understand the general sentiment you are espousing I really don't think the OWS protesers actually WANT more "Bad Police Conduct". I will admit that most OWSers probably understand how instances of this benefits their cause, but thats a far cry from wanting to get beat on the head, or tazed etc...

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    I know nothing about Boston's political climate, but both Cleveland and Cincinnati have Democratic mayors (the one on Cleveland is owned and operated by the Democratic party machine here in Cuyahoga County like a ventriloquist's puppet, I exaggerate not), and there seems to be some bizarre-o belief among these people that these OWSers and their bad bahevior will help get Obama re-elected. (I can't followthat reasoning AT ALL.)

    So, many people are "using" the nitwits at these protests for their own political gain...and the young people apparently haven't got the wits to see that they're being used.
    I'm not sure I agree with you here. To say politicians are using the OWSers is, in my opinion, putting the cart before the horse.... Think about it... The aim of any protest is to start a public dialog. If politicians actually start addressing these issues publicly the it would appear to me that the goal of starting dialog is met. Hell, the fact that we are debating it (to one extent or another) on these forums is proof in my opinion that it is in fact having an impact at some level. I will however agree that most of the public dialogues will most likely be kow-towing to the OWS merely up until election day at which point many of these politicians that may have enjoyed a boost from OWS will simply ignore them..... of course they also could actually get elected and start trying to address these issues just as easily.

    I just seem to be of the opinion that some (not all, mind you) of those in opposition to the OWSer's protests are really just upset that it is (at least temporarily) drowning out the drum beats from the various TP groups, yet others may genuinely disagree with the message and yet others are simply saying it's not my group... I don't like them.

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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Lets be honest here, here is an overly generalized version of this particular thread:

    I don't know what they stand for... But I disagree with them
    They are unorganized.... yet this or that group is behind it all
    Yeah sure they have a Constitutionally protected right to peacably assemble to petition the government for a redress of greivences...... but only if local park camping ordinances are obeyed and it doesn't offend me

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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by Swit View Post
    Lets be honest here, here is an overly generalized version of this particular thread:

    I don't know what they stand for... But I disagree with them
    They are unorganized.... yet this or that group is behind it all
    Yeah sure they have a Constitutionally protected right to peacably assemble to petition the government for a redress of greivences...... but only if local park camping ordinances are obeyed and it doesn't offend me
    Uh, no. I approve of the ACLU...I'd support their right to assemble and protest no matter what their cause was. Of course, you don't know me IRL, so you'll have to accept that (or not) as an article of faith.

    Nonetheless, it's true. IMO, the proper constraint on their rights has nothing to do with the content of their speech. I never complained about any Tea Party event, and the last time I complained about a group's conduct in protesting, it was about the Wisconsin union workers filling the state capitol building far beyond its capacity....because it was a fire hazard.
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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

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    I mean as a conservative you can't honestly be in favor of government subverting, and by threat of violence mind you, individual protections provided by the first amendment to the United States Constitution, are you? <--- hoping for an answer to this
    I fall close to the far end of the Conservative political spectrum. I'm an Authoritarian. My utopian societal concept includes large doses of the ideals set forth in Robert Heinlein's "Starship Troopers" universe and Harlon Ellison's "Repent Harlequin Said the Tick-Tock Man". I believe that the Founding Fathers were incredibly naive in many of the things they did.

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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by Swit View Post
    While I understand the general sentiment you are espousing I really don't think the OWS protesers actually WANT more "Bad Police Conduct". I will admit that most OWSers probably understand how instances of this benefits their cause, but thats a far cry from wanting to get beat on the head, or tazed etc...
    Swit, there are literally 1,000's of posts on facebook every couple of days just that I personally see, about how to face off with a cop, what to do after being arrested, etc. There's even some "National Legal Service" with an 800 number being touted, that OSWers can allegedly call for free legal assistance if arrested or threatened with arrest. I've been a lawyer since 1988 and never heard of any such group of lawyers before. I'll bet next month's mortgage payment the group did not exist before these OWS protest started and where their funding is coming from, I can't tell...but I have my suspicions.

    There's not one doubt in my mind that there is a huge contingent encouraging these OWSers to seek to be arrested, or worse.


    I'm not sure I agree with you here. To say politicians are using the OWSers is, in my opinion, putting the cart before the horse.... Think about it... The aim of any protest is to start a public dialog. If politicians actually start addressing these issues publicly the it would appear to me that the goal of starting dialog is met. Hell, the fact that we are debating it (to one extent or another) on these forums is proof in my opinion that it is in fact having an impact at some level. I will however agree that most of the public dialogues will most likely be kow-towing to the OWS merely up until election day at which point many of these politicians that may have enjoyed a boost from OWS will simply ignore them..... of course they also could actually get elected and start trying to address these issues just as easily.
    I never protested to "start a dialogue". I did so to apply pressure to my government (or to a foreign government) to stop an action I opposed, or to start one I supported. It's preposterous to protest at private companies (apart from union and strike events) unless you hope to start a boycott of their products or to damage their good will. Private companies, as opposed to our government, are not answerable to the general public.

    OWSers' demands for "less greed", "less entanglement with government", etc. are just plain meaningless. There can be nothing which can be described as a "goal" at all if nobody can describe the conditions under which that goal would considered as having been achieved.


    I just seem to be of the opinion that some (not all, mind you) of those in opposition to the OWSer's protests are really just upset that it is (at least temporarily) drowning out the drum beats from the various TP groups, yet others may genuinely disagree with the message and yet others are simply saying it's not my group... I don't like them.
    I'd fit in with most Tea Party types about as well as a card-carrying communist. I think if you read more of my posts on different subjects, you'll find that that I'm quite liberal on most social justice issues, and quite passionate about economic justice.

    This is a false (though no doubt comfy) paradigm you've created for yourself about some of your fellow posters on this thread. IMO, it uses a lot of wishful thinking to avoid facing reality.
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