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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    What are their demands? To whom are they directed? How would I gauge whether they had been granted?
    I answered your questions already.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You threw it at me first. What the hell is your damned problem? You think you can just say my arguments are bull**** and then if I return the favor start crying cause I asked Caine (who is someone I have respect for and why I asked him not to immediately jump on the insult wagon) not to start with insult.

    Jesus Christ. If you can't take it, don't dish it. And is this deflection all you have left for your arguments here?
    WTF post of mine are you referring to?

    I think you are confused; I am not calling you a liar. I am not calling you a whiner. I am directed your attention to the "emperor has no clothes" problem I see in OWS protests.

    In other words, where's the beef?

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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I answered your questions already.
    You replied, yes. But "entanglement of government and corporations" is a meaningless phrase. Flowery, but meaningless.

    I could tell when the former Soviet Union finally allowed its Jews to leave. I could tell when a state government had divested itself of investments in South Africa before the end of apartheid. I could tell when the War In Vietnam ended.

    Etc.

    To achieve the "unentanglement" the OWSers allegedly want, what concrete steps do they demand be taken, and by whom?


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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    WTF post of mine are you referring to?


    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    What bull****. Someone is funding this, stage-managing it, etc. Prolly Soros, but who knows anymore?

    These are mostly white young adults who have too much time and not enough comprehension of their own nation's laws and businesses.
    Really? You couldn't remember. You called my argument bull**** and then went on to some conspiracy thing about how this is all funded by someone (it's a waste of money if true), and then launch into an attack on the protesters claiming that they don't know what they're talking about. As I said, I just returned to you what I have gotten. I didn't ask for civility out of you as I did Caine because I don't expect it out of you; I just gave you what you threw out and all of a sudden it was apparently a huge deal. Enough of your deflections, stay on target.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    I think you are confused; I am not calling you a liar. I am not calling you a whiner. I am directed your attention to the "emperor has no clothes" problem I see in OWS protests.

    In other words, where's the beef?
    I've told you the major point and contention of the protest already. I really cannot understand anyone who honestly tries to claim they don't see it. This is mere data collection and there is a lot of it.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Rainbow hippies clean up after others. They take the reaponsibility onto themselves to do so.

    I have my issues with them, they're too "Luddite" for me, for instance.

    But I trust them on this.

    They clean up Gathering sites for two reasons.

    One, they actually care about and respect the land.

    Two, it pisses the Feds off to have nothing to use against them.

    The Feds actually terrorized a community with claims that a fugitive child rapist was at the Gathering.

    He was.

    John Buffalo, old biker-type and head of "security" for the Rainbow, found his ass, tied him up and delivered him to the authorities of the nearest town. Demonstrating to the locals that the Rainbow doesn't harbor scum.

    The Feds were PISSED that he didn't turn him over to them, even though they took custody from the locals immediately. They lost their anti-Rainbow PR campaign to scare the locals.
    Sounds like an excellent group.....very effective.

    They're environmentalists? I never heard of them; "Rainbow" to me conjures up Gay Pride or Jessie Jackson's (ugh) presidential campaign.

    Is there any reason to anticipate they'll be in Cincinnati?

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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    You replied, yes. But "entanglement of government and corporations" is a meaningless phrase. Flowery, but meaningless.

    I could tell when the former Soviet Union finally allowed its Jews to leave. I could tell when a state government had divested itself of investments in South Africa before the end of apartheid. I could tell when the War In Vietnam ended.

    Etc.

    To achieve the "unentanglement" the OWSers allegedly want, what concrete steps do they demand be taken, and by whom?


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    As I said the "how" isn't part of the OWS movement. This is a different type of experiment focused on demonstrating magnitude. They want people at large to acknowledge that there has become a serious problem with our economic models and how government has interacted and intervened in the market. The idea is to try to show that there are many many people across several ideologies who believe this a problem and by showing magnitude perhaps it is then possible to wake everyone else up. So that they will take earnest look around them, at the government and rules and the interactions and dynamics of the system. It's a noble cause, don't know if it will work or not. But I certainly will defend and uphold their right to protest and assemble to its maximum.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Really? You couldn't remember. You called my argument bull**** and then went on to some conspiracy thing about how this is all funded by someone (it's a waste of money if true), and then launch into an attack on the protesters claiming that they don't know what they're talking about. As I said, I just returned to you what I have gotten. I didn't ask for civility out of you as I did Caine because I don't expect it out of you; I just gave you what you threw out and all of a sudden it was apparently a huge deal. Enough of your deflections, stay on target.



    I've told you the major point and contention of the protest already. I really cannot understand anyone who honestly tries to claim they don't see it. This is mere data collection and there is a lot of it.
    I think you're missing the big picture here, Ikari. I'm enraged by the bad behavior in big business in the US; I'm enraged by Citizens United; I'm more concerned about this country's ability to sustain its middle class than I have ever been in my life. In short, I prolly have somewhat the same values and objectives that you perceive the OSWers to have.

    What I am complaining about (apart from crappy judging on the federal bench) is that these OWS protests are noisy, grabbing a lot of attention and gathering steam but accomplishing NONE of my objectives. I don't see any way they can ever be effective with these tactics.

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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    As I said the "how" isn't part of the OWS movement. This is a different type of experiment focused on demonstrating magnitude. They want people at large to acknowledge that there has become a serious problem with our economic models and how government has interacted and intervened in the market. The idea is to try to show that there are many many people across several ideologies who believe this a problem and by showing magnitude perhaps it is then possible to wake everyone else up. So that they will take earnest look around them, at the government and rules and the interactions and dynamics of the system. It's a noble cause, don't know if it will work or not. But I certainly will defend and uphold their right to protest and assemble to its maximum.
    I uphold any American's constitutional rights, Ikari, even those of the most odious. This difference of opinion we're having isn't about which of us is more patriotic.

    You say you "don't know if it will work or not". I say "there's no basis for believing OWS protests could succeed in achieving any goal of mine bearing on the issues they seem to be raising".

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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    I think you're missing the big picture here, Ikari. I'm enraged by the bad behavior in big business in the US; I'm enraged by Citizens United; I'm more concerned about this country's ability to sustain its middle class than I have ever been in my life. In short, I prolly have somewhat the same values and objectives that you perceive the OSWers to have.

    What I am complaining about (apart from crappy judging on the federal bench) is that these OWS protests are noisy, grabbing a lot of attention and gathering steam but accomplishing NONE of my objectives. I don't see any way they can ever be effective with these tactics.
    Their point is not to accomplish your objectives. It's to make noise, grab a lot of attention, and gather steam. They're trying to motivate others to stand up and take stock. They don't endorse a single philosophy, rather they leave that to the individual. But it's saying "look at all these opposing groups, we've all come here as one to say there's a problem with corporate capitalism and we do not wish to maintain this intervention of State and Corporation.". The various groups can't agree on how to solve it, and many would probably not endorse my solution for corporate capitalism. Yet there is a problem and that's what they're demonstrating and they're trying to get people up off their couches and perhaps out participating in the system rather than watching American Idol.

    As for the Judge, I find nothing offensive in what she did. If the system errs, it should err on the side of the People and not the State.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So instead of stupid insults directed at me, how about you just calmly present your argument? A little civility maybe? You don't have to, it would just be nice.

    Protest is more important that basketball. While I think there are reasonable rules which can be put on parks for camping and what have you, some rights are too important to let fall to petty laws. Protest and assembly, due to the necessity of these being allowed in order to maintain a free Republic, are some of those. I would most certainly think it reasonable to excuse the camping laws for such a large protest.
    How about if I go play basketball after hours in order to protest allowing protest on park grounds after hours but not basketball???


    Its a re-tah-ded slippery slope.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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