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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Because there's a number of questions with regards to the legality of the laws.
    Huh ?
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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    The sidewalk is rarely ever closed (except in cases of construction, for safety reasons).... you want to assemble at all hours of the day and night... go there.

    I think its funny how people think all normal rules of society can be broken in the name of protest.........

    So what you are saying is that I can't go play basketball at the courts at the local park after hours, but If I am there for the purpose of "assembling" then I can go? Abso-****ing-lutely ignorant.
    So instead of stupid insults directed at me, how about you just calmly present your argument? A little civility maybe? You don't have to, it would just be nice.

    Protest is more important that basketball. While I think there are reasonable rules which can be put on parks for camping and what have you, some rights are too important to let fall to petty laws. Protest and assembly, due to the necessity of these being allowed in order to maintain a free Republic, are some of those. I would most certainly think it reasonable to excuse the camping laws for such a large protest.
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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Well, I consider urban green spaces to be "necessary to the general welfare". You seem to think that unless a riot or a cholera epidemic breaks out, the city and its residents have no interests to protect.


    Can you argue as to why "urban green spaces" are necessary to the general welfare, keeping in mind general welfare refers to all of us, not just a few citizens in a city? Also, I have no idea how you came up with the second sentence. It's clearly not true.

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    Ever been to a farm after it had hosted a festival with thousands of attendees for a weekend? Did you happen to notice all the groundcover had been destroyed, the land was nothing but ozzing mud, litter tended to accumulate, etc.?
    We never rented our farm out for such purposes. It had animals and plants on it instead.
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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Can ANYONE tell what the OWS'ers are "protesting"? Against whom do they have a complaint and what do they want done to correct it? What are their demands? Does ANYONE know or do we all just get to infer whatever we like about their intent?
    Can you honestly not tell what they're protesting? It's the aggressive entanglement of State and Corporate entities. They are pissed off at the corporate capitalist model we now find ourselves under. I didn't think this one was so hard. The other questions are tougher given that the overall movement is not coherent, but that first one has been obvious to anyone willing to open their eyes and look for themselves. It's demonstrating a magnitude issue, which I suppose has its merits in some sense.
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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Well, because someone orders you to do something doesn't always mean it's right, or that you should do it.
    Amen Brother. Now read what you wrote.
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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    I have protested a lot....I always walked in a parade; I never did a sit-in. Here are some things I have protested for:

    * Free Soviet Jews. (Done.)

    * End The Vietnam War. (Done.)

    * Civil Rights. (Done.)

    * Feminisim a la abortion rights, equal pay, etc. (Not done.)

    Can ANYONE tell what the OWS'ers are "protesting"? Against whom do they have a complaint and what do they want done to correct it? What are their demands? Does ANYONE know or do we all just get to infer whatever we like about their intent?

    BTW, I have never broken the law in any protest and IMO, a sit-in at a college president's office is (legally) not comparable to occupying city parks for weeks on end.
    We all need a copy of Pinkie's protest etiquette. Apparently some people are not properly protesting. <gasp>
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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    What fukkin' political cause, Ikari?
    It's kind of scary when you don't know.
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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So essentially this was a much ado about nothing. A judge did a rather standard thing, putting a temporary hold on enforcing a law while they're making a decision, made a decision and then things went forward. The horror.

    Our legal system is founded on principles that shows its focus is on giving the PUBLIC the benefit of the doubt, not the government. Thus innocent until proven guilty. If a law is questionable it is far more fair to the public and in line with our countries legal philosophy to hold off on punishing them until the law is ruled upon and IF its found to be legitimate THEN begin to punish them rather than punish them first and if it turns out the law was wrong try to rectify the situation.

    More than that its more fiscally responsable as well as you're not having to expend government resources in fixing the mistake you previously made by continuing to enforce an unreasonable law.

    The Judge put a hold on a law for a minute amount of time, made a decision, and its going forward. The fact it got this much of a hubub, and such a partisan one, is sad.
    Imposing a TRO on a government act is NOT "standard" practice. It's an extraordinary remedy, I have never actually seen one in my own career of some 25 years of so. Never even seen a petition for one.

    It's not even standard practice to TRO a private party. And this TRO was improper on its face.

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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Imposing a TRO on a government act is NOT "standard" practice. It's an extraordinary remedy, I have never actually seen one in my own career of some 25 years of so. Never even seen a petition for one.
    You work in law? Also, didn't some judge issue a TRO on a government law coming out in Wisconsin back during the whole collective bargaining thing?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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