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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Yes, if generating pointless bull****-laden drama is the ultimate goal.
    I don't know why you're so mad at them.

    Partisanship has gotten so bad that Americans don't talk. They talk AT each other not TO each other.

    Theyre talking about income disparity, wage stagnation, money's negative effect on our politics, ALL OVER the media and blogosphere.

    I think the OWS phenomenon is dragging the whole stinking mess out on the rug for the cat to sniff.

    I'm going to bed, but I think this tactic actually has a name. I'll see if I can find it tomorrow.
    Anyone wondering what I'm talking about start here:
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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    That's what public means. Everyone owns it. The citizens of the city all jointly own the park. Police do nothing more than enforce the decisions made by those citizens and their elected representatives. Police don't govern anything.
    So, there would be no objections to removing those who are not citizens of that particular county then.. eh?
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    I don't know why you're so mad at them.

    Partisanship has gotten so bad that Americans don't talk. They talk AT each other not TO each other.

    Theyre talking about income disparity, wage stagnation, money's negative effect on our politics, ALL OVER the media and blogosphere.

    I think the OWS phenomenon is dragging the whole stinking mess out on the rug for the cat to sniff.

    I'm going to bed, but I think this tactic actually has a name. I'll see if I can find it tomorrow.
    Yes this tactic has a name.

    It's called a "tantrum".

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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yes, and the contention is that they are not camping but rather assembling and protesting.
    The sidewalk is rarely ever closed (except in cases of construction, for safety reasons).... you want to assemble at all hours of the day and night... go there.

    I think its funny how people think all normal rules of society can be broken in the name of protest.........

    So what you are saying is that I can't go play basketball at the courts at the local park after hours, but If I am there for the purpose of "assembling" then I can go? Abso-****ing-lutely ignorant.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I think it's very conditional on what you're talking about. A Republic cannot exist without protest, assembly, redress, etc. That overrides convenience of not having campers. Now if they were rioting or assaulting folk or committing crime I can see the necessity to involve government force. But I do believe that protest and assembly must be upheld to their maximum.
    So... uhh.... in the name of "Protest"... can I key your car now?
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    The sidewalk is rarely ever closed (except in cases of construction, for safety reasons).... you want to assemble at all hours of the day and night... go there.

    I think its funny how people think all normal rules of society can be broken in the name of protest.........

    So what you are saying is that I can't go play basketball at the courts at the local park after hours, but If I am there for the purpose of "assembling" then I can go? Abso-****ing-lutely ignorant.
    Well, I agree of course. But I also wonder, aren't any of these OWSers environmentalists? Why's there absolutely zero concern for the impact they are having on our green spaces?

    We used to parade in the downtown area, or towards a building of significance, like the courthouse, state capitol, etc. On pavement, and we were (usually) gone the same day we arrived. The parades I personally participated in actually had parade permits.

    Rather different from holding a massive, weeks-long jamboree/hoedown/Woodstock reenactment for people who want to complain, but evidentially have not even one definite idea to promote as to how to improve matters.

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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I think it's very conditional on what you're talking about. A Republic cannot exist without protest, assembly, redress, etc. That overrides convenience of not having campers. Now if they were rioting or assaulting folk or committing crime I can see the necessity to involve government force. But I do believe that protest and assembly must be upheld to their maximum.
    Well, I consider urban green spaces to be "necessary to the general welfare". You seem to think that unless a riot or a cholera epidemic breaks out, the city and its residents have no interests to protect.

    Ever been to a farm after it had hosted a festival with thousands of attendees for a weekend? Did you happen to notice all the groundcover had been destroyed, the land was nothing but ozzing mud, litter tended to accumulate, etc.?

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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Okay, I missed a part... What they want to do about it is to regulate these businesses so they can't do that anymore. Impose duties on them to act ethically, with stiffer penalties, throw the corrupt @$$holes who commit these transgressions in prison, and stop allowing corporate money to determine elections.

    Now it's up to 145 words. I hope that's still concise enough.
    Feel free to post at whatever length you wish, Paschendale.



    We had several laws on the books that went unenforced over time, across party lines. One such prohibits any merger between publicly-traded companies when that merger would result in harm to the market, public, etc. There are extremely strict rules and laws in place for measuring this, and yet the Big Banks were permitted to continue to merge and acquire until they reached their current size. The concentration of banks in this country has been going on since at least the 1980's.

    They could legally be ordered TODAY to break up, and it's Obama and Holder who refuse to do so.

    "Corporate greed" is a misnomer; corporations are only legal entities. The humans who run them and own them have always been in need of restraint, else they abuse the workers, the public, the environment, etc. for profit. It's not some surge in greed that caused the Great Recession and there's no possibility whatsoever that we can legislate that only people with "higher ethics" or "less greed" may run them.

    You want to advocate for better regulation of banks, or publicly traded companies in general? Fine by me...but AT LEAST direct that protest to the people who are fukkin' you over. Not the private property owners, the corporate managers, etc.

    You are being fukked by your president and his entire executive branch, your Congress, your governor and state legislators, etc.

    (This is why I believe the energy being put into the OWS protests would be better spent trying to get a constitutional amendment passed to repeal Citizens United.)

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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    JUDGE DLOTT HAS lifted the stay and the protestors are NOW BEING TICKETED at 105 bucks a shot.

    Good. She upheld the ordinance now.

    they are interviewing some really clueless clowns who have no clue about time and manner restrictions which are usually upheld

    The city of cincinnati has wasted a lot of money dealing with these turds-with over 25,000 in fines mounting up, hopefully they can get some of it back
    So essentially this was a much ado about nothing. A judge did a rather standard thing, putting a temporary hold on enforcing a law while they're making a decision, made a decision and then things went forward. The horror.

    Our legal system is founded on principles that shows its focus is on giving the PUBLIC the benefit of the doubt, not the government. Thus innocent until proven guilty. If a law is questionable it is far more fair to the public and in line with our countries legal philosophy to hold off on punishing them until the law is ruled upon and IF its found to be legitimate THEN begin to punish them rather than punish them first and if it turns out the law was wrong try to rectify the situation.

    More than that its more fiscally responsable as well as you're not having to expend government resources in fixing the mistake you previously made by continuing to enforce an unreasonable law.

    The Judge put a hold on a law for a minute amount of time, made a decision, and its going forward. The fact it got this much of a hubub, and such a partisan one, is sad.

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    Re: Federal Judge Orders Cincinnati Not To Ticket OWS'ers

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post

    Can ANYONE tell what the OWS'ers are "protesting"? Against whom do they have a complaint and what do they want done to correct it? What are their demands? Does ANYONE know or do we all just get to infer whatever we like about their intent?

    "We Want More Money"

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