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    Re: U.S. deportations reach historic levels

    Then you really threw your vote away.

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    Re: U.S. deportations reach historic levels

    Quote Originally Posted by Reg View Post
    Then you really threw your vote away.
    A vote for the lesser of two evils is still an endorsement of evil.
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    Re: U.S. deportations reach historic levels

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    Kudos to Obama for the crackdown.
    Ahhh, somebody's in love. How cute.

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    Re: U.S. deportations reach historic levels

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    You do realize that it costs tens of thousands of dollars to house inmates yearly, right? And you do realize that those funds come from tax payers?
    The costs would be a lot higher if the only thing criminals had to fear was just a free ride home. What if we told American criminals that the only thing they had to worry about was just a free ride home for most of the crimes they committed?Don't you think they would see that as an incentive to to do more crime? That's basically what we are doing with illegals if we are just shipping illegals back home without first having them serve their prison or jail time out. Other than it being a slight inconvenience most of them do not give a crap about being shipped back home. Most likely when they are deported they are just dropped off across the border and that's it.They are not dropped off the furthest point away from the US border in their country so that their trip back to the US border would be thousands of miles.

    I would rather see them shipped off a.s.a.p, if anything.
    And when we ship them off a.s.a.p. they will be back into this country a.s.a.p. I do not know if you know this but most illegals did not get a visa and deliberately overstay it and or fly here on a plane and most illegals come form south of the border. They came here by crossing our borders illegally on foot or smuggled inside a vehicle. Border security is severely inadequate, border defenses are severely inadequate. If most these illegals came from Argentina,South Africa,Britain,Australia or some other country that was thousands of miles away from the US border where they would have to cross several countries or thousands of miles of ocean then shipping them home a.s.a.p. might actually be effective.

    But the government is not willing to crack down on the corporations who are hiring these illegals, so the real source of the problem remains unaddressed. Corporations have too much immunity in modern America.
    This is why we have to pressure our state governments to do something about these dishonest pieces of **** who hire illegals seeing how the only enforcement the federal government wants to do is token enforcement.
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    Re: U.S. deportations reach historic levels

    Quote Originally Posted by nijato View Post
    I do contend that nation-states and their obligate boundaries are waning
    A number of centuries ago in Europe, the plague crossed many individual boundaries, and some thought that people were waning.

    That one-world government, completely with it's own military, the requisite power characteristic, isn't even close to appearing.

    I doubt "nation-states" will be supplanted by anarchy, though a number of libertarians do favor that.

    Even EU countries aren't even close to surrendering their nation-statehood, the euro simply being a matter of economic convenience.

    So I'm not seeing the reality of countries on the wane ..

    .. Although, come to think of it, I recently read where, though countries would still be countries, they are losing power, not to some one-world government, but to international corporate consortiums.

    The major international corporate consortiums could become the one-world power in the not too distant future.

    But they still wouldn't have a military .. at least I hope they wouldn't!


    Quote Originally Posted by nijato View Post
    ... but you did mention a more realistic boundary: Earth.
    It's kind of an obvious ultimate, as boundaries go.

    But that doesn't mean there aren't other boundaried entities within the earth's boundaries, entities that don't particularly care to give up their boundaries to statist Earth.


    Quote Originally Posted by nijato View Post
    The human population is the unit of my consideration.
    Mmm .. okay.

    Feel free to walk into Mexico without proper papers, or not to complain much when you're invaded by a virus entity ... .

    There are boundaried authorities in the world. I know some libertarians have a tendency to ignore or reject collectives that impose "restrictions" on them, from parents to the fed ..

    .. But that's life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    A number of centuries ago in Europe, the plague crossed many individual boundaries, and some thought that people were waning.

    That one-world government, completely with it's own military, the requisite power characteristic, isn't even close to appearing.

    I doubt "nation-states" will be supplanted by anarchy, though a number of libertarians do favor that.

    Even EU countries aren't even close to surrendering their nation-statehood, the euro simply being a matter of economic convenience.

    So I'm not seeing the reality of countries on the wane ..

    .. Although, come to think of it, I recently read where, though countries would still be countries, they are losing power, not to some one-world government, but to international corporate consortiums.

    The major international corporate consortiums could become the one-world power in the not too distant future.

    But they still wouldn't have a military .. at least I hope they wouldn't!



    It's kind of an obvious ultimate, as boundaries go.

    But that doesn't mean there aren't other boundaried entities within the earth's boundaries, entities that don't particularly care to give up their boundaries to statist Earth.



    Mmm .. okay.

    Feel free to walk into Mexico without proper papers, or not to complain much when you're invaded by a virus entity ... .

    There are boundaried authorities in the world. I know some libertarians have a tendency to ignore or reject collectives that impose "restrictions" on them, from parents to the fed ..

    .. But that's life.
    I think we agree- global corporatism is the defacto one-world government... which is why the US can't fix its broken immigration system. The system needs cheap labor, and in instances where production cannot be relocated (e.g. harvesting agricultural products and construction) the labor must be moved in.

    As far as national borders disappearing, I also agree that it isn't going to happen in the short or medium term... just that increasingly mobile populations in an increasingly desperate world will make them less relevant and meaningful over time.
    "A witty saying proves nothing." Voltaire

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