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HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

Pinkie said:
Well, I guess it is less inappropriate IMO. My question is, why Mexico? Why not Spain? And like you, why history/government rather than art, poetry or any subject the student chooses?

Isn't the goal for this kid to demonstrate a fluency with the language of Spanish, rather than the history and culture of Mexico?
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It is an assignment. Teachers try to get students motivated. Sometimes we use things that might not seem on topic but still help reinforce the skill. I don't teach a language but this doesn't seem like a big deal at all. I teach history (for one) so I see history as appropriate to every subject. Everything has a history.
 
Josie said:
Well, she's only 15. Do we know if this is an introductory Spanish class? I took 2 years of Spanish in high school and 2 semesters in college. There's no stinkin' way I could write even one intelligent, coherent paragraph in Spanish even after all that.
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I think she's an AP student, Josie. She could be at the college freshman level; who knows?
 
Pinkie said:
Well, I'm not geography whiz, but I don't believe you are correct.

If, by "largest" you mean highest population, I'd guess Spain is first. Spain is also the place where Spanish first developed and therefore, has the oldest "Spanish" culture.
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Not even close. Spain has something like 40 million people and Mexico has well over a hundred million people. The USA has more Spanish speakers than Spain.
 
Ikari said:
I think saying the pledge of allegiance of the US is iffy enough. Another nation's pledge? Hell no. Did the kid get punished at all?
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She failed the assignment, but was given make-up work.

Watch the video again; here's another thing that I think happened, and that bothers me, if it did: the students were made to stand to say the Mexican Pledge of Allegiance, and this kid remained seated. I do not feel students should be made to face off with their teachers in this way, over matters that are inappropriate for school.
 
Pinkie said:
I think she's an AP student, Josie. She could be at the college freshman level; who knows?
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You're right. She could also have had several years of Spanish already.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
No. The question was "Why should I care" about your opinion. "Because I say so". or "Because I am an American" is weak.

You are wrong for a lot of reasons. The first is that you do not think very well.
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Aren't you the witty smug one. People like you never last long, the problem is that you never see it and never give up.

We are talking about an assignment in an American classroom by American students in the United States of America. If being an American isn't relevant, then what is?
 
Eighty Deuce said:
No. The question was "Why should I care" about your opinion. "Because I say so". or "Because I am an American" is weak.

You are wrong for a lot of reasons. The first is that you do not think very well.
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Is there some reason you are so nasty to me personally, Deuce? I don't much care for it.
 
Josie said:
Well, she's only 15. Do we know if this is an introductory Spanish class? I took 2 years of Spanish in high school and 2 semesters in college. There's no stinkin' way I could write even one intelligent, coherent paragraph in Spanish even after all that.
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Really? I took French and was by no means the best and we wrote in French all the time... in fact I still can after thinking about it (in French) for a bit, now 20 years later.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Aren't you the witty smug one. People like you never last long, the problem is that you never see it and never give up.

We are talking about an assignment in an American classroom by American students in the United States of America. If being an American isn't relevant, then what is?
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So I am the "witty smug" one ? You are half right. I am witty.

Again, my slow learning friend, the question was not about "relevence". Someone asked why they should care about the opinion of another. To be frank, the implication was that the argument lacked merit and substance, so where was its foundation ? As we see, there was none.

Now Grasshopper. It'll be a cold day in hell before you can even imagine being able to even eat my dust intellectually, much less compete.

But do keep trying ;)
 
Pinkie said:
Is there some reason you are so nasty to me personally, Deuce? I don't much care for it.
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He is going to tell you you are wrong since he was being nasty to me in that post... and that is the post that you addressed, so there. :lol:
 
Pinkie said:
Is there some reason you are so nasty to me personally, Deuce? I don't much care for it.
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Go back and look Pinkie. You are as the typical liberal. In every case, I was minding my own business, responding to topic, and you came at me personally.

I am not nasty. I am just painfully true when I am pushed to respond to such malicious liberal nonsense.

Not bragging. Just fact.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
So I am the "witty smug" one ? You are half right. I am witty.

Again, my slow learning friend, the question was not about "relevence". Someone asked why they should care about the opinion of another. To be frank, the implication was that the argument lacked merit and substance, so where was its foundation ? As we see, there was none.

Now Grasshopper. It'll be a cold day in hell before you can even imagine being able to even eat my dust intellectually, much less compete.

But do keep trying ;)
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Good grief, what a loss to the greeting card industry this post is.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
Go back and look Pinkie. You are as the typical liberal. In every case, I was minding my own business, responding to topic, and you came at me personally.

I am not nasty. I am just painfully true when I am pushed to respond to such malicious liberal nonsense.

Not bragging. Just fact.
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Who's at your house, pushing you to post here?
 
Pinkie said:
Good grief, what a loss to the greeting card industry this post is.
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Well, change a couple words and sell it to Hallmark ! Liberals are known to see the light on occasion, and become God-fearing rich capitalists/ Go for it !

In the meantime, I am OK with the student refusing to recite the peso national anthem. As I noted, she could have found other worthy things to translate.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
Well, change a couple words and sell it to Hallmark ! Liberals are known to see the light on occasion, and become God-fearing rich capitalists/ Go for it !

In the meantime, I am OK with the student refusing to recite the peso national anthem. As I noted, she could have found other worthy things to translate.
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Page nine, you choose to revel your POV? And in so doing, you choose to refer to the Mexican pledge of allegiance as the "peso national anthem"?

Bigoted language you use, Deuce.
 
Pinkie said:
Page nine, you choose to revel your POV? And in so doing, you choose to refer to the Mexican pledge of allegiance as the "peso national anthem"?

Bigoted language you use, Deuce.
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Cry me a tequila river then.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
So I am the "witty smug" one ? You are half right. I am witty.

Again, my slow learning friend, the question was not about "relevence". Someone asked why they should care about the opinion of another. To be frank, the implication was that the argument lacked merit and substance, so where was its foundation ? As we see, there was none.

Now Grasshopper. It'll be a cold day in hell before you can even imagine being able to even eat my dust intellectually, much less compete.

But do keep trying ;)
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Actually I am 100% right. You aren't witty and you are smug. Sarcasm is as lost on you as this subject.

Why should they care about her opinion about an American reciting another nations national anthem in an American classroom is the true extension of the question since that is the very nature of the topic/debate at hand. Her response, while you may think it is weak, is relevant and accurate. She is an American debating her opinion about an American reciting another nations national anthem in an American classroom. That is why the other person should "care", though caring or not caring si up to the individual. It would not be relevant if the person said that they didn't care but since the comment was phrased in a question... it now becomes "relevant".
 
Eighty Deuce said:
At this point, I am wearing you as bling.

It wasn't hard.

I support the student.
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Look, I am uncomfortable with the way you speak to me. I can't be any plainer about how I feel than this.

You're making my skin crawl; please stop this.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Actually I am 100% right. You aren't witty and you are smug. Sarcasm is as lost on you as this subject.

Why should they care about her opinion about an American reciting another nations national anthem in an American classroom is the true extension of the question since that is the very nature of the topic/debate at hand. Her response, while you may think it is weak, is relevant and accurate. She is an American debating her opinion about an American reciting another nations national anthem in an American classroom. That is why the other person should "care", though caring or not caring si up to the individual. It would not be relevant if the person said that they didn't care but since the comment was phrased in a question... it now becomes "relevant".
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Of course you are "right". 100%. No one will convince you otherwise. :roll:

Few will even bother to try, if even then.

Bling. Bling.
 
I think the student did the right thing. There is absolutely no reason that students should ever be graded on reciting another country's pledge of allegiance. Having such an assignment proves that either the teacher wants the students to be loyal to another country (really doubt this, but possible) or they are very ignorant about what the meaning of a pledge is. It should not be used as a lesson for students who are citizens of other nations, and wish to remain so, to learn the language or even the culture. Recitation of the pledge does not teach anything significant about the culture.

And the school is wrong for defending this teacher as well.

BTW, another article I found said that the girl was in intermediate Spanish.
 
Pinkie said:
Page nine, you choose to revel your POV? And in so doing, you choose to refer to the Mexican pledge of allegiance as the "peso national anthem"?

Bigoted language you use, Deuce.
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That is what bigots and racists do... they also use terms like "anchor baby". It is all an Appeal to Emotion.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
Of course you are "right". 100%. No one will convince you otherwise. :roll:

Few will even bother to try, if even then.

Bling. Bling.
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What a completely relevant, well-thought-out, and vitriolic retort :coffeepap
 
Eighty Deuce said:
Of course you are "right". 100%. No one will convince you otherwise. :roll:

Few will even bother to try, if even then.

Bling. Bling.
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Right... that is my reputation here. Dude, you are a clown that just got his ass handed to him. Go play on the monkey bars "sensei". :lol:
 
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