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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    She is American and states that this is why her opinion is relevant and you state that it isn't relevant since she has the same status as an "anchor baby" and needs to go up a rung on the ladder. That makes no sense as to why her opinion is not relevant. Explain how I am wrong.

    Are you purposely using the term anchor baby in a negative manner?
    No. The question was "Why should I care" about your opinion. "Because I say so". or "Because I am an American" is weak.

    You are wrong for a lot of reasons. The first is that you do not think very well.

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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I wonder if she will get points docked off if she points out that the first two attempts at Mexican independence were failures... Still, THIS is a far more appropriate assignment.


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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    I think her point was it's a class about learning a language, not history. How is writing a report on Spanish culture going to help her learn the language (unless, of course, the entire report has to be written in Spanish).
    Oh... good point. I assumed that the assignment would be written in Spanish. If it is, then I see no problem. I think that we need to assume that it is though...
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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    You have to play the video to get this fact, but this is a 15 year old in a public HS in Texas, and the assignment was given in her Spanish class.

    I think the student was correct. She was there to learn to speak SPANISH, a language spoken in over a dozen nations around the globe, including SPAIN. She will not be aided by learning "Hispanic culture", Mexican Independence Day facts, or the pledge of allegiance to another nation.

    NOT EVERY SPANISH SPEAKER IS MEXICAN.

    Lots of you have probably taken a second language class....have any of you ever been asked to learn and recite another nation's pledge of allegiance?
    I think saying the pledge of allegiance of the US is iffy enough. Another nation's pledge? Hell no. Did the kid get punished at all?
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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Oh... good point. I assumed that the assignment would be written in Spanish. If it is, then I see no problem. I think that we need to assume that it is though...
    Well, she's only 15. Do we know if this is an introductory Spanish class? I took 2 years of Spanish in high school and 2 semesters in college. There's no stinkin' way I could write even one intelligent, coherent paragraph in Spanish even after all that.


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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Well, I guess it is less inappropriate IMO. My question is, why Mexico? Why not Spain? And like you, why history/government rather than art, poetry or any subject the student chooses?

    Isn't the goal for this kid to demonstrate a fluency with the language of Spanish, rather than the history and culture of Mexico?
    It is an assignment. Teachers try to get students motivated. Sometimes we use things that might not seem on topic but still help reinforce the skill. I don't teach a language but this doesn't seem like a big deal at all. I teach history (for one) so I see history as appropriate to every subject. Everything has a history.
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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Well, she's only 15. Do we know if this is an introductory Spanish class? I took 2 years of Spanish in high school and 2 semesters in college. There's no stinkin' way I could write even one intelligent, coherent paragraph in Spanish even after all that.
    I think she's an AP student, Josie. She could be at the college freshman level; who knows?

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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Well, I'm not geography whiz, but I don't believe you are correct.

    If, by "largest" you mean highest population, I'd guess Spain is first. Spain is also the place where Spanish first developed and therefore, has the oldest "Spanish" culture.
    Not even close. Spain has something like 40 million people and Mexico has well over a hundred million people. The USA has more Spanish speakers than Spain.
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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I think saying the pledge of allegiance of the US is iffy enough. Another nation's pledge? Hell no. Did the kid get punished at all?
    She failed the assignment, but was given make-up work.

    Watch the video again; here's another thing that I think happened, and that bothers me, if it did: the students were made to stand to say the Mexican Pledge of Allegiance, and this kid remained seated. I do not feel students should be made to face off with their teachers in this way, over matters that are inappropriate for school.

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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    I think she's an AP student, Josie. She could be at the college freshman level; who knows?
    You're right. She could also have had several years of Spanish already.


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