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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

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    I took French, so all I did was learn how to surrender. That's why I'm learning Russian now

    Seriously though, she should have just said it. It was an exercise in her using her new language more than anything, and an opportunity to learn more about a country that we share the same continent with. I'm suspecting though if she were asked to recite the Canadian national anthem in french, she wouldn't have cared. Just another case of forced outrage IMO.
    Is Russian difficult? I'm fluent in French but Russian seems so much more exotic.

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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

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    I took French, so all I did was learn how to surrender. That's why I'm learning Russian now
    I didn't even think of this before. One of the places my High School French came in handy was in Russia.

    One day, my wife and I visited the State Art Museum in Nizhny Novgorod. The docent was going to explain the layout of the collection to me, but she didn't speak English, and my Russian wasn't all that good. But we both knew enough French for her to explain it "en francais."


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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    She has the right to refuse to do the assignment and her teacher has the right to fail her. It was an assignment for class not something students were being forced to do.
    I was waiting for someone to go down that road.... The student can be given a failing grade FOR THAT ASSIGNMENT. Unless she was told ahead of time that the assignment was worth more than 50% of the class grade she cannot be failed simply based on this one assignment.

    Having said that, she is completely and totally in the right on this topic. The class is supposed to be Spanish LANGUAGE. Obviously that means that some aspects of Spanish culture will be introduced as well, but this assignment goes well beyond that in my mind. Then again I'm the guy who will stand quietly during the Canadian national anthem at a hockey game, but will not take my hat off. When the Star Spangled Banner is played however, it's hat off, hand over the heart, standing at attention and quietly singing along.

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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    Is Russian difficult? I'm fluent in French but Russian seems so much more exotic.
    Russian is difficult. Words change endings mid-sentence. Then there's the cyrillic.


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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I was waiting for someone to go down that road.... The student can be given a failing grade FOR THAT ASSIGNMENT. Unless she was told ahead of time that the assignment was worth more than 50% of the class grade she cannot be failed simply based on this one assignment.

    Having said that, she is completely and totally in the right on this topic. The class is supposed to be Spanish LANGUAGE. Obviously that means that some aspects of Spanish culture will be introduced as well, but this assignment goes well beyond that in my mind. Then again I'm the guy who will stand quietly during the Canadian national anthem at a hockey game, but will not take my hat off. When the Star Spangled Banner is played however, it's hat off, hand over the heart, standing at attention and quietly singing along.
    From what I read and heard, she did get a failing grade for that assignment; not for the class in and of itself. In fact, I believe the article said the teacher gave her an alternate assignment to do.

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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    I say good for her. She stood up for something, took the bad grade in stride, and moved on.

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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by BamaBrat View Post
    I say good for her. She stood up for something, took the bad grade in stride, and moved on.
    Yes, I applaud the student.

    I'm just alarmed and offended by the teacher and school district, that they thought this was an appropriate assignment.

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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    It seems bizarre to me that some people think a class for a foreign language should avoid discussing a foreign culture. I also don't see how disrespect for another nation = respect for your own.

    I can see how this could be a prickly issue. It is called a "pledge of allegiance" after all. But "indoctrination" makes this sound far more malevolent than it is. It's disrespectful of all the hard work real brainwashers do.

    I know the Canadian anthem by heart (too many hockey games) but that doesn't make me Canadian...does it? Hey, it's a catchy tune. Shoot, now it's stuck in my head...
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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I was waiting for someone to go down that road.... The student can be given a failing grade FOR THAT ASSIGNMENT. Unless she was told ahead of time that the assignment was worth more than 50% of the class grade she cannot be failed simply based on this one assignment.

    Having said that, she is completely and totally in the right on this topic. The class is supposed to be Spanish LANGUAGE. Obviously that means that some aspects of Spanish culture will be introduced as well, but this assignment goes well beyond that in my mind. Then again I'm the guy who will stand quietly during the Canadian national anthem at a hockey game, but will not take my hat off. When the Star Spangled Banner is played however, it's hat off, hand over the heart, standing at attention and quietly singing along.
    Every school student in Taiwan learns English in school. Never once have I heard of a student being required to recite the U.S. pledge of allegience. This is plain dumb. Certain aspects of culture have to be taught, but forcing the students to recite pledge of allegiance to a foriegn government? I wouldn't even have a problem with learning the national anthem... I had to learn the national anthem of Japan when I took Japanese in high school, but pledge of allegience goes beyond that in my opinion...
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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by TakePart View Post
    It seems bizarre to me that some people think a class for a foreign language should avoid discussing a foreign culture. I also don't see how disrespect for another nation = respect for your own.

    I can see how this could be a prickly issue. It is called a "pledge of allegiance" after all. But "indoctrination" makes this sound far more malevolent than it is. It's disrespectful of all the hard work real brainwashers do.

    I know the Canadian anthem by heart (too many hockey games) but that doesn't make me Canadian...does it? Hey, it's a catchy tune. Shoot, now it's stuck in my head...
    Well, for starters, Mexico is not the only Spanish-speaking nation on Planet Earth. I grew up in New York; when I hear people speaking Spanish, I assume they're Puerto Rican or, after having lived in Florida, Cuban. (Or Dominican, Haitian, Guatamalean, Peruvian, Spanish, etc.)

    It is beyond bigotry to subjugate the importance of all other Spanish speaking nations to Mexico in a US classroom. Even if this were a World History class, that'd still be bad information.

    Not that this is my primary objection...but it's a close second.

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