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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    I don't think so, obviously. I've already laid out my reasoning in other posts, so if you've read the entire thread, I bounce this back to you. What's so preposterous about inferring an intent to promote the interests of illegal Mexican aliens in the US in that teacher's assignment?
    How in the bleeping hell does this assignment by a legal resident who happens to be from Mexico promote the interests of illegal Mexican aliens? The mental gymnastics you're performing here are truly epic.
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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Did you mean to direct this at me, as well as others on this thread? I'm not being snarky; I'm curious. Can you explain how, if so?
    Simply in general.

    There is a tendency for liberals and conservatives to get sucked into their dualistic polemic conflict on a matter. When that happens in an issue where unfairness is alleged, the one feeling put upon complains a bit while the other just doesn't see the problem. Once that dualistic polemic conflict begins, the truth of the matter is seldom discovered, further alienation often being the result.

    Coming to this realization for myself, having been at one time liberal and another time conservative, helped me to gently remove both fingers from the oriental finger puzzle, as I really was more interested in getting at the truth of these matters than defending a political spectrum perspective.

    I don't think problems can really be solved until the truth of a matter is faced, as hard as that sometimes is to do.
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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    So, IYO, all inferences are per se "preposterous"?
    nope. just those without merit.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    Learning about Mexican culture and history is entirely appropriate in a Spanish language class because it offers context and because Mexicans are going to be the majority of Spanish speakers that an American student will encounter. A little bit of culture ain't gonna kill them.

    Pledging allegiance to a foreign nation inside our schools that have been paid for with our money, however, is completely inappropriate and the teacher should be reprimanded. However, the article also notes that the teacher offered an alternative assignment-- a report on the Mexican revolution-- that was entirely appropriate and which the student likewise refused to participate in. Her poor grade is a proper reflection of her refusal to participate in class, and should stand.

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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    How in the bleeping hell does this assignment by a legal resident who happens to be from Mexico promote the interests of illegal Mexican aliens? The mental gymnastics you're performing here are truly epic.
    A foreigner comes into this country and urges our children to pledge allegiance to their home country, and you don't see the connection to the millions of that foreigner's countrymen that are illegally residing within our country?

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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    Learning about Mexican culture and history is entirely appropriate in a Spanish language class because it offers context and because Mexicans are going to be the majority of Spanish speakers that an American student will encounter. A little bit of culture ain't gonna kill them.

    Pledging allegiance to a foreign nation inside our schools that have been paid for with our money, however, is completely inappropriate and the teacher should be reprimanded. However, the article also notes that the teacher offered an alternative assignment-- a report on the Mexican revolution-- that was entirely appropriate and which the student likewise refused to participate in. Her poor grade is a proper reflection of her refusal to participate in class, and should stand.
    I agree with most of that. But I still don't understand how reciting the words to some foreign pledge that means nothing to anyone other than the citizens of the nation in question is in any way inappropriate. Words only have value if you actually mean them.
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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    A foreigner comes into this country and urges our children to pledge allegiance to their home country, and you don't see the connection to the millions of that foreigner's countrymen that are illegally residing within our country?
    I honestly don't see what the illegal status of others have to do with her. She's a legal resident. Unless what she did in that class is actually illegal I don't see what the problem is. Is it illegal to recite other country's pledges or sing other country's anthems in your country?
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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    nope. just those without merit.
    Let me guess...you select those based upon your own experience?

    Guess what? Me too.

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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Let me guess...you select those based upon your own experience?

    Guess what? Me too.
    ok pinkie.....we disagree.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    How in the bleeping hell does this assignment by a legal resident who happens to be from Mexico promote the interests of illegal Mexican aliens? The mental gymnastics you're performing here are truly epic.
    The teacher assigned the Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance; I think, but can't really tell for sure, she had the students stand to recite it, she did this to teach a lesson in "hispanic culture", because she's a (presumably legal) Mexican residing in the US, and because she wanted to raise awareness of/instill pride over Mexican Independence Day.

    Last, but not least, when giving the student make up work, she again assigned a Mexican subject. A political Mexican subject.

    From these facts, I inferred the teacher had a (IMO) totally inappropriate desire to further the bizarre-o notion so many illegal alien advocates have, that being a citizen of Mexico is kinda sorta like being a citizen of the US.


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