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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    as hatuey said, she can refuse and then not get credit for that "assignment".
    That seems simple enough.

    There is, of course, another way to look at the matter: the teacher could simply have wanted to emphasize that Spanish-speaking people in the region belong to Mexico, should be reciting the Mexican pledge of allegiance, and should be living in Mexico, not the U.S.

    We probably lack sufficient information here to know.

    Whether the teacher was spinning a liberal message or a conservative one, or was merely ignorantly insensitive to a regional hot-button issue, it would have been more academically appropriate and politically neutral for the assignment to have been to recite the Spanish pledge of allegiance.

    Regardless, operating under the guise of an academic focus on "hispanic culture in the region" is not a valid excuse for the teacher's behavior.

    The student was given an alternative assignment, one that appeared to require considerably more effort than reciting the Mexican pledge. More appropriate would have been to recite the Spanish pledge, considering that, linguistically speaking, Spain is the language foundation origination of "hispanic culture in the region".

    Absent of any liberal or conservative oriented malice on the part of the teacher, the student should not have been punished for being more aware than her teacher.

    Both liberals and conservatives would do well to be less political party-animalistic and more understanding in their response to these matters.
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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    wow....i think you are reading way more into this than the article gives you. first of all, did you never study foreign cultures in school? i sure did. you are turning this into a rant about illegals with no background whatsoever. jesus, chill. by all means, let's not ever teach our children about other cultures.
    Of course I studied world cultures....back then, it was prolly called something else. Lord knows what.

    You can conclude my inferences about the intent of the teacher and the school are baseless. Obviously, I disagree. Not that this is my main objection to all this, but I have Cuban-American friends who've taken blow-back because they've been mistaken for illegal Mexican aliens by idiots. Likewise, Puerto Ricans, Mexican-Americans, etc.

    If you can't see the racism inherent in the illegal immigration issue, I can't help you. If you think this teacher did not wander off the reservation, well, that's your opinion.

    T'aint mine.
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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    Both liberals and conservatives would do well to be less political party-animalistic and more understanding in their response to these matters.
    Did you mean to direct this at me, as well as others on this thread? I'm not being snarky; I'm curious. Can you explain how, if so?

    BTW, I loved the rest of your post. I think you are 100% correct.

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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Of course I studied world cultures....back then, it was prolly called something else. Lord knows what.

    You can conclude my inferences about the intent of the teacher and the school are baseless. Obviously, I disagree. Not that this is my main objection to all this, but I have Cuban-American friends who've taken blow-back because they've been mistaken for illegal Mexican aliens by idiots. Likewise, Puerto Ricans, Mexican-Americans, etc.

    If you can't see the racism inherent in the illegal immigration issue, I can't help you. If you think this teacher did not wander off the reservation, well, that's your opinion.

    T'aint mine.
    i just don't understand why you've tied a teacher asking her SPANISH class to memorize the mexican pledge to illegal immigration. quite a stretch.

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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i just don't understand why you've tied a teacher asking her SPANISH class to memorize the mexican pledge to illegal immigration. quite a stretch.
    I don't think so, obviously. I've already laid out my reasoning in other posts, so if you've read the entire thread, I bounce this back to you. What's so preposterous about inferring an intent to promote the interests of illegal Mexican aliens in the US in that teacher's assignment?

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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    She has the right to refuse to do the assignment and her teacher has the right to fail her. It was an assignment for class not something students were being forced to do.
    This assignment amounts to a English teacher making students wash her car for a grade. It is not related what so ever to the subject she teaches.
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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    I don't think so, obviously. I've already laid out my reasoning in other posts, so if you've read the entire thread, I bounce this back to you. What's so preposterous about inferring an intent to promote the interests of illegal Mexican aliens in the US in that teacher's assignment?
    it's preposterous because you have not one whit of evidence. but, as you said, it's your opinion.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    This assignment amounts to a English teacher making students wash her car for a grade. It is not related what so ever to the subject she teaches.
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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    it's preposterous because you have not one whit of evidence. but, as you said, it's your opinion.
    So, IYO, all inferences are per se "preposterous"?

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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    When you're a statist, you support the state position to the death. Damn the children or reason.
    American...I've seen that word here on DP, but nowhere else that I recall. What is a "statist"?

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