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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    I dig where you are coming from, but Hispanic culture has definitely changed very much since the times of 20th century European imperialism/colonialism to the point where Latin America has its own unique culture.
    Then you need a new name for it that doesn't denote a connection to the Iberian Peninsular.
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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    My Spanish teacher was from Puerto Rico. I guess that would mean that our assignment would have been to recite the US pledge of allegiance in Spanish, though it never happened.
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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Maybe she was. But we don't know much about Reyna Santos except that she is from Mexico herself and that, according to the student, she "loves Mexico." How old is she? If she's very young, maybe she was just fired up about the "Grito" (celebrated on 9-15):

    Mexican Independence Day - 16 de Septiembre - Independence Day in Mexico

    McAllen is a border town that has always been "porous." It's different down there from, say, an Ohio town. Remember David Hartley, the American jet skiier living in McAllen who was murdered last year on the shared lake?

    What I mean is that there are tremendous tensions on the border. My bet is that the teacher is young and enthusiastic--this is her first year--and that with all the negative attention, she really regrets this assignment. Here's what the school district says:

    Nothing wrong with Spanish class that riled parent | mcallen, parent, riled - McAllen ISD - TheMonitor.com
    Yea, I get the "it's different in Texas" thing...I do. I have friends in Arizona, and believe me, New York (where I grew up) is not insular.

    I still think the teacher was wrong and what's worse is, I think the school district is wrong for backing her. Once a student complained/did not comply, it was possible for them both to pause and reflect. At that point, her inexperience, overenthusiasm for Mexico, and/or delight at Mexican Independence Day could have been revisited and she (the teacher) could have made things right.

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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    In the literal definition of the word, Hispanic culture is a sub-set of European culture, as it derives from the word 'hispania', denoting the Iberian Peninsular.
    It's a nonsense word, as most Spanish speakers are in the Americas, and some are in Africa, the Caribbean, etc. There no homogenous "hispanic culture" anymore than there is any identifiable "white culture".

    That's assuming you are even able to decide which Spanish speakers are and which are not white....the whole thing just dissolves in a bubbling caldron of bigotry, IMO.

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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    The student, and her parents, can take the matter to school administrators if satisfaction is not achieved in the classroom .. and to the press if necessary.

    Since this was a Spanish class, and indeed a number of countries speak Spanish as their principal language, the Spanish pledge of allegiance would have been academically appropriate.

    Considering the region of the U.S. where this occurred, there is understandably political tension regarding illegal immigration and Mexican threats to annex parts of the U.S. for Mexico once sufficient infiltration occurs.

    The teacher was at the very least insensitive to a political hot button that affects Americans and their jobs in the region.

    I would be interested in knowing more about the teacher.
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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    as hatuey said, she can refuse and then not get credit for that "assignment".

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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Well, true, but that is not why I thought this was discussion-worthy. I agree with the student, -- the teacher went beyond her goal of teaching kids to speak Spanish and tried to force them to learn things about Mexico, including their pledge of allegiance.

    Many people would like there to be no real boundary between the US and Mexico...as if all Mexicans have a right to live, work, and elsewise enjoy the benefits of being an American that the citizens of no other nation on Planet Earth has. We're attacked for calling illegal aliens "illegal aliens", and over and over, told that we MUST give the people from Mexico who are here but did not get our permission to enter "amnesty".

    Whatever the teacher's POVs may be on immigration, she should not be abusing her position as a public HS Spanish teacher to foist them on her students.

    wow....i think you are reading way more into this than the article gives you. first of all, did you never study foreign cultures in school? i sure did. you are turning this into a rant about illegals with no background whatsoever. jesus, chill. by all means, let's not ever teach our children about other cultures.

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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    It's a nonsense word, as most Spanish speakers are in the Americas, and some are in Africa, the Caribbean, etc. There no homogenous "hispanic culture" anymore than there is any identifiable "white culture".

    That's assuming you are even able to decide which Spanish speakers are and which are not white....the whole thing just dissolves in a bubbling caldron of bigotry, IMO.
    The problem isn't the word, it's how you use it. Hispanic, as a word, should apply to people from Spain, Portugal, Andorra and Gibraltar, and so 'Hispanic culture' is the the combined cultures of those 3 nations and 1 British territory, not a single homogeneous culture, but an umbrella term for the numerous cultures of the Iberian Peninsular (much in the same way white culture is used to denote all cultures of European, or European settled countries, not a single culture). It's the misapplication of it by Americans to refer to people from Spanish speaking countries that the confusion begins.
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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Yes, I applaud the student.

    I'm just alarmed and offended by the teacher and school district, that they thought this was an appropriate assignment.
    There's a lot that goes on in schools these days that I just look at and go...really????

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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    I'm honestly baffled by the entire premise of this thread.

    What exactly is the problem here? Reciting the words to another country's anthem or pledge in a language class has no patriotic meaning whatsoever. The words will only mean something to those with emotional ties to the country in question. I can't even begin to grasp what that sudent's objections actually are. Did she think she was magically becoming a Mexican citizen by reciting the words? I mean WTF is wrong with some people's brains??
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