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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I learned how to speak Canadian, eh? Drank Labatt's, ate Tim Horton's doughnuts and watched Hockey Night in Canada.
    Did they teach you how to make your head flap up and down too? That's a really neat feature of canadians.



    As far as the story goes...

    I have no issues with foreign language classes teaching a bit of the culture of the languages origin. It helps better understand the context of how language works there in part. That said, I'd hope the class in question was focusing on far more examples of Spanish speaking countries...perhaps, I don't know, SPAIN...rather than JUST mexico.

    If the student really had a huge issue with reciting the mexican pledge then I think a reasonable teacher would simply offer up something different. Perhaps recite a portion of the Mexican national anthem (if it had words) which would be less problematic to the students morals perhaps than pledging "allegiance" to another country. Or if that didn't work perhaps a segment of a speech by a famous mexican politician. Something along those lines.

    Outright giving the kid a zero for not wanting to do something for a moral reason is hardly good teaching, does nothing for the kid, and is just lazy. If the teachers desire is to actually TEACH there's definite ways that can still be done. And if the kid refuses them all, then its obvious that its not an issue of having a principled issue with the work but simply that kid being a lazy ass trying to get out of work.

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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    By a first-year teacher. I remember when one of my kid's brand-new teachers decided that her third-graders should begin taking 6th-grade spelling tests. This did not work out well for her. Especially after she sent home a note in which she had spelled "inconvenience."


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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    That's great for you. Who are you again? And why do you type in blue? That's Sheik's shtick.
    Huh?

    I gave my reasoning already, Hatuey. I'd like to hear yours. Why did you consider this assignment appropriate?

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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    That's great for you. Who are you again? And why do you type in blue? That's Sheik's shtick.
    Not this again... she is a taxpaying American citizen commenting on an issue taking place with and American in an American school, that's who she is.
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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Facts about what? Parents forcing their kids to go to church? Lol, those are facts of life. Want to try me?
    No. Wouldn't be worth the time when you're already dissembling.

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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Not this again... she is a taxpaying American citizen commenting on an issue taking place with and American in an American school, that's who she is.
    And this is an American school in McAllen.

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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    And this is an American school in McAllen.
    And while some might argue that Texas is not part of America... it is.
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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Pst, learn what a straw man is, you make them so often. The kid wasn't forced to do the assignment. She didn't do it? Great for her. She got an F. It's not as if she was then told to wear the Mexican uniform and parade around streets. She was told to recite something in Spanish. I don't really care about whether you're a parent or not. The teacher gave an assignment, the kid refused to do it on a bogus excuse, the kid got an F; nd of story. If she had been told to write an essay on the positive role of religion for a social studies class and refused, my answer would remain the same.
    Would it have been the same if she was forced to recite the lords prayer to better understand the view points of Christianity?

    I can kind of understand it simply for what it was, which was a "pledge of allegiance" to the country of Mexico. I can understand parents being annoyed with the teach having their kids state such a pledge, as a class exercise or not, because of the message it imparts and is stating. If it was something even slightly less direct, like the national anthem, I'd agree with you further. But in this one instance I can see their point.

    I'd feel the same way if it was flipped and in English classes in Mexico a teacher had them saying the Pledge of Allegiance for the U.S. Its just not intelligent or smart to ask kids to recite a "pledge" to another country. There's a plethora of other things you could have them recite that is less likely to cause issues.

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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I'd feel the same way if it was flipped and in English classes in Mexico a teacher had them saying the Pledge of Allegiance for the U.S. Its just not intelligent or smart to ask kids to recite a "pledge" to another country. There's a plethora of other things you could have them recite that is less likely to cause issues.
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    Re: HS Student Refuses To Recite Mexican Pledge Of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Pst, learn what a straw man is, you make them so often. The kid wasn't forced to do the assignment. She didn't do it? Great for her. She got an F. It's not as if she was then told to wear the Mexican uniform and parade around streets. She was told to recite something in Spanish. I don't really care about whether you're a parent or not. The teacher gave an assignment, the kid refused to do it on a bogus excuse, the kid got an F; nd of story. If she had been told to write an essay on the positive role of religion for a social studies class and refused, my answer would remain the same.
    Not a bogus excuse; it is a perfectly legitimate one. It is an inappropriate assignment. You think teachers are the only judge of what an appropriate assignment is? I am both a parent AND a teacher, and trust me... they aren't. I have seen enough inappropriate assignments in my time to know that there are teachers who do not know what that line is. And yes, if the concequence is an 'F', yes, many students will seem forced to do it for a variety of reasons... I, for one, had to keep my grades up to remain eligible for athletics under state law and school policy...
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