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    Re: Windmills stopped at night after bat death

    It's a scam. It's been an underachiever in every country it's been tried.

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    Re: Windmills stopped at night after bat death

    Quote Originally Posted by nijato View Post
    I stand corrected. You will forgive me, as the wind industry has been experiencing exponential growth the past several years. Perhaps I meant 0.5% of US energy consumption. In either case, I am clearly in error, and thank you for setting me straight.
    No worries, and you're very welcome.

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    My energy argument is best explained by people like Richard Heinberg and James Howard Kunstler: yes, civilization should pursue ALL energy options, from drilling to wind, to freaking fairie dust... but it ain't gonna matter one bit, 'cuz nothing beats the ER/EI ratio of high-pressure, shallow petroleum, and that's G-O-N-E gone, and it ain't coming back.
    I'm cool with oil so long as it's "USA Oil." In fact we'll need it for looong time to come, so we have to be careful about how we use it.


    That's a pretty good energy argument. The more bat-killing windmills, solar plants, thermal plants, thorium reactors, tidal energy plants, and hydro-electric plants we build right here in the USA, the less chance a middle-eastern frontman for extremist, murdering thugs can tell us how much we'll be paying for our nation's life-blood. The sooner we get started, the sooner we can tell the whole lot of them to f**k off and die. Any middle-eastern country that wanted to play nice and fair with us can enjoy the fruits of an American economic revival based on purely American energy. The rest can pretend to be princes and go back to riding camels after their "Blood Mercedes" rots.
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    Re: Windmills stopped at night after bat death

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    No worries, and you're very welcome.


    I'm cool with oil so long as it's "USA Oil." In fact we'll need it for looong time to come, so we have to be careful about how we use it.


    That's a pretty good energy argument. The more bat-killing windmills, solar plants, thermal plants, thorium reactors, tidal energy plants, and hydro-electric plants we build right here in the USA, the less chance a middle-eastern frontman for extremist, murdering thugs can tell us how much we'll be paying for our nation's life-blood. The sooner we get started, the sooner we can tell the whole lot of them to f**k off and die. Any middle-eastern country that wanted to play nice and fair with us can enjoy the fruits of an American economic revival based on purely American energy. The rest can pretend to be princes and go back to riding camels after their "Blood Mercedes" rots.
    I guess I'm with you... it would seem that you are just a bit more optimistic about how it will all turn out. Hopefully, you're right
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    Re: Windmills stopped at night after bat death

    Build a bunch with your own money and get back to us.

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    Re: Windmills stopped at night after bat death

    Quote Originally Posted by nijato View Post
    The problem with wind is storage. Battery technology really limits a lot of non-fossil power sources and applications.
    Google is actually doing experiments where electric car battery banks serve as grid storage/load leveling.

    If enough vehicles are electric, excess reserve capacity will represent a significant amount of storage. A car bank is BIG, enough to power your house in a blackout for a while. Its all experimental at this point, but shows promise.
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    Re: Windmills stopped at night after bat death

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Google is actually doing experiments where electric car battery banks serve as grid storage/load leveling.

    If enough vehicles are electric, excess reserve capacity will represent a significant amount of storage. A car bank is BIG, enough to power your house in a blackout for a while. Its all experimental at this point, but shows promise.
    With tax subsidies, or, as you call it, corporate welfare.

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    Re: Windmills stopped at night after bat death

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Google is actually doing experiments where electric car battery banks serve as grid storage/load leveling.

    If enough vehicles are electric, excess reserve capacity will represent a significant amount of storage. A car bank is BIG, enough to power your house in a blackout for a while. Its all experimental at this point, but shows promise.
    Yes... awesome, but: what are the batteries? Still lithium-ion versions. They are very low energy density, poor at long-term storage, and have a relatively short lifespan of 10-20 years, with a high cost of replacement! Yes, as I say, this is part of the answer, but far from what we enjoy today. Find the battery if you hope for a renewable future. I am not sure that it exists. Electrochemical cells are limited by chemical constraints.
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    Re: Windmills stopped at night after bat death

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    The more bat-killing windmills, solar plants, thermal plants, thorium reactors, tidal energy plants, and hydro-electric plants we build right here in the USA....
    I wonder if this method is legit or a scam



    Seems better than burning garbage for steam power. :p

    Reminds me of Back To The Future. The doc powering his Delorian with trash.

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    Re: Windmills stopped at night after bat death

    Quote Originally Posted by nijato View Post
    'cuz nothing beats the ER/EI ratio of high-pressure, shallow petroleum.
    Nuclear does.
    So follow me into the desert
    As desperate as you are
    Where the moon is glued to a picture of heaven
    And all the little pigs have God

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    Re: Windmills stopped at night after bat death

    Quote Originally Posted by Reg View Post
    In addition to being screwed when the wind doesn't blow, you're SOL as soon as one lefty constituency collides with another.

    At least in China, human beings turn off your power at night whether you want it turned off or not.


    Windmills stopped at night after bat death - BostonHerald.com
    Ya that's not true at all, but whatever facts can be ignored for good rhetoric I guess.

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