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    Re: Windmills stopped at night after bat death

    Wind turbines kill a LOT of birds and bats... the real issue that we need to face is the second law of thermodynamics: there's no such thing as a free (entropic) lunch.
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    Re: Windmills stopped at night after bat death

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Beats all the other scams we invest in. At least this one gets us clean power. Better that than, say, another $300 million fighter plane built for a war that will never be fought.
    I was talking about the investment of private cash. Like it, or not, we still have a private sector in this country.
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    Re: Windmills stopped at night after bat death

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    BS he was just playing dead!!!
    I think Sawyer paid some Mafia hitmen to off the bat and plant it there.
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    Re: Windmills stopped at night after bat death

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Is is too much to ask to install a sonic generator or some variation of "dog-away" technology, or am I just making too much sense here?
    Of course it's too much to ask. The bledding hearts would then start going on about how it gives the birds and bats nervous problems and hampers reproduction, or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I was talking about the investment of private cash. Like it, or not, we still have a private sector in this country.
    And it's shocking that private industry isn't trying to get in and corner the market early before too many smart players take all the business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    And it's shocking that private industry isn't trying to get in and corner the market early before too many smart players take all the business.
    The problem with wind is storage. Battery technology really limits a lot of non-fossil power sources and applications.
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    Re: Windmills stopped at night after bat death

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    And it's shocking that private industry isn't trying to get in and corner the market early before too many smart players take all the business.
    What is "the market" for wind?

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    Re: Windmills stopped at night after bat death

    Quote Originally Posted by Reg View Post
    What is "the market" for wind?
    About 0.5% of the electricity market in the US.
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    Re: Windmills stopped at night after bat death

    Quote Originally Posted by nijato View Post
    About 0.5% of the electricity market in the US.
    About 2.3%
    Energy policy of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    What do you think it will be when oil reaches $6.00 per gallon? $8.00 per gallon?

    If you wait until then to start thinking, how long will it take to get the business started while the nation experiences a depression that makes the last one look like a hiccup?
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    Re: Windmills stopped at night after bat death

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    About 2.3%
    Energy policy of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    What do you think it will be when oil reaches $6.00 per gallon? $8.00 per gallon?

    If you wait until then to start thinking, how long will it take to get the business started while the nation experiences a depression that makes the last one look like a hiccup?
    I stand corrected. You will forgive me, as the wind industry has been experiencing exponential growth the past several years. Perhaps I meant 0.5% of US energy consumption. In either case, I am clearly in error, and thank you for setting me straight.

    My energy argument is best explained by people like Richard Heinberg and James Howard Kunstler: yes, civilization should pursue ALL energy options, from drilling to wind, to freaking fairie dust... but it ain't gonna matter one bit, 'cuz nothing beats the ER/EI ratio of high-pressure, shallow petroleum, and that's G-O-N-E gone, and it ain't coming back.
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