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    Re: Thieves teach OWS protestors about redistribution, the hard way

    Quote Originally Posted by Reg View Post
    So it's no longer a case of everyone who has income contributing.
    You will have a tough time navigating through reality if you view the world in an absolute context.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Thieves teach OWS protestors about redistribution, the hard way

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    You are confusing taxation with donation. The two are not mutually exclusive.
    No I'm not. You would portray taxes as being a sort of voluntary obligation, which is a weird concept in the first place, but in the end, you HAVE to do so, because otherwise, it is, in fact, theft. If I am not happy about the things my tax dollars go to fund, and decide to withhold on my obligation, I go to jail. The only way this becomes NOT theft is if somehow, by magic, we all have the ability to choose were we live, at which point, that choice enacts a social contract for those taxes of said location.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Thieves teach OWS protestors about redistribution, the hard way

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    No; you are being robbed which is punishable by law. Those taxes you whine about pay the police to investigate such instances and arrest/prosecute/imprison the lawbreaking party.



    The difference being of course one is based upon the rule of law, where as the other is based upon breaking that law. Whether or not you agree with a law has no bearing as to its legality.
    Basically what you are saying is if we passed a law that makes theft legal, it's no longer theft.


    Good job.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Thieves teach OWS protestors about redistribution, the hard way

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    No we haven't. That definition is constantly changing, as shown by the numerous court decisions against tax protesters. If you're going to sit there and tell me and everyone in this thread that you don't feel the current tax code is convoluted and nebulous, well, then, I guess there just won't be enough deodorant for this conversation.
    Do not try to redefine my premise to fit your red herring. We are a nation of laws; it is what separates us from the likes of Somalia.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Thieves teach OWS protestors about redistribution, the hard way

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    An obligation of an income earning member of this society.
    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    You will have a tough time navigating through reality if you view the world in an absolute context.
    So we're back to who has the bigger fists, political or literal, to take more away from someone else.

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    Re: Thieves teach OWS protestors about redistribution, the hard way

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Basically what you are saying is if we passed a law that makes theft legal, it's no longer theft.


    Good job.
    Nope! You are simply confusing basic vocabulary (purposely i might add).
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Thieves teach OWS protestors about redistribution, the hard way

    I have a question.......I didn't even know you could buy a Mac for $5500. Are there version really this expensive and if so, why would one leave them unattended in a park?

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    Re: Thieves teach OWS protestors about redistribution, the hard way

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    What if.. There is plenty of new wealth on the trees. This is America, bro!


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    Sorry man, while their is new wealth, the wealthy got I think 85% of it in the past thirty years, iirc.

    There's been a number of graphs and charts posted here recently that support this.

    I personally advocate tax structures that discourage the mass accumulation of wealth.

    Great wealth is not something they need, its something they want.
    Anyone wondering what I'm talking about start here:
    The Psychology of Persuasion

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    Re: Thieves teach OWS protestors about redistribution, the hard way

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I have a question.......I didn't even know you could buy a Mac for $5500. Are there version really this expensive and if so, why would one leave them unattended in a park?
    That's what's great about America. You can bitch about redistribution typing on a computer that costs ten times more than the last one I bought.

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    Re: Thieves teach OWS protestors about redistribution, the hard way

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Do not try to redefine my premise to fit your red herring. We are a nation of laws; it is what separates us from the likes of Somalia.
    You said that taxable income is defined by the rule of law. I would say that said definition is as clear as crude oil, and ever changing...which, of course, would no longer be a definition. To define something is to nail it down, to pin onto it it's meaning. Hard to define something that changes from one court justice to another.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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