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Thieves preying on fellow protesters(Edited)

Re: Thieves teach OWS protestors about redistribution, the hard way

Defend the criminality.

Criminality is defined by the rule of law, not by someone on an internet debate forum whose feelings are getting the best of him/her.
 
Re: Thieves teach OWS protestors about redistribution, the hard way

Criminality is defined by the rule of law, not by someone on an internet debate forum whose feelings are getting the best of him/her.

Well, we're on the internet now, so defend it here.
 
Re: Thieves teach OWS protestors about redistribution, the hard way

For some reason, I find this event to be incredibly ironic.
 
Re: Thieves teach OWS protestors about redistribution, the hard way

I am pointing out that you do not understand the clear difference between donation and taxation. Instead of accepting it, you instead continue to defend an invalid premise.



If you do not understand the very basis of taxation and its function within developed society, perhaps this is not the discussion for you :shrug:

Generally, at this point, I'd just hit you with the ignore button, but being as I've got some time to kill, I'll give you a genuine response to this, and see what you make of it.

Taxation is the forced removal of income, goods, or property from individuals and businesses within a community, for the purpose of ensuring the continuation of communal services and leadership required for the survival of that community. A donation is NON forced gifting of income, goods, or property from individuals and businesses within a community, for the purpose of ensuring the continuation of communal services and leadership required for the survival of that community. Donations usually come with a certain amount of tax deductions, as well. At least, in recent history.

If I am wrong, feel free to correct me. Now. On to my next point. Since taxation is a requirement for living within said community, people living there don't have a choice on paying it or not. Unless people have the freedom and the ability to go where ever else and live, other than within that taxed community, it then become theft, if it's not voluntary. Meaning, some people in said community don't mind paying the tax, and do so with no provocation. Some in the community DO mind, and thus, require provocation. If those people that DO mind, but have no recourse, like leaving said community...It is they who are being robbed.

Short story time.

Once upon a time, no one in this country paid income taxes. True story. And if someone, be it a police chief, business owner, mayor, governor, or even president, tried to take an income tax, it would be considered illegal. Theft. Then we made some laws, and after a few tries, even managed to get them passed. And now, income taxes are no longer theft, legally speaking.

Except that I don't let lawyers define the meaning of words. No amount of double speak, word screwing, lawyering is ever going to convince me that theft is anything other than the taking of another persons property without their consent.
 
Re: Thieves teach OWS protestors about redistribution, the hard way

You mean most green energy subsidies? The protestors want those to end?

If they are the result of corruption and not just something you disapprove of, then yes.

They CLEARLY want money to stop corrupting our government.

Its the primary reason Dems are keeping their distance.

Scares them too.
 
Re: Thieves teach OWS protestors about redistribution, the hard way

For some reason, I find this event to be incredibly ironic.

There is no difference between some bum lifting a guy's Macbook while he is sleeping on top of his girlfrield in a public park and the Federal government lifting 25% of your income and handing it to criminals who bundle campaign contributions
 
Re: Thieves teach OWS protestors about redistribution, the hard way

Well, we're on the internet now, so defend it here.

No need. You are not capable of having an actual discussion. Pointing out the flaws in your thinking is boring....
 
Re: Thieves teach OWS protestors about redistribution, the hard way

No, because it is pointless to try to have a discussion with someone whose relies on fallacious arguments. You are excusing theft because the particular party described in the OP has a different view, and because of this difference their rights deserve to be infringed upon.

Talk about nonsense.

I never once said I excuse that theft. If we catch the people that did it, they should be arrested, tried, and convicted, if guilty. They owe a redress to society, and to the people whom they robbed.
 
Re: Thieves teach OWS protestors about redistribution, the hard way

There is no difference between some bum lifting a guy's Macbook while he is sleeping on top of his girlfrield in a public park and the Federal government lifting 25% of your income and handing it to criminals who bundle campaign contributions

Opinionated drivel knows no bounds.
 
Re: Thieves teach OWS protestors about redistribution, the hard way

Enough?

Maybe enough to owe income taxes.

Too much?

Concentration of owned wealth that actually negatively affects everybody else.

Actually, that's the best answer to that question I've ever gotten. And one I'll agree with.

Now for another one...how much of a concentration of owned wealth negatively affects everybody else?
 
Re: Thieves teach OWS protestors about redistribution, the hard way

I never once said I excuse that theft. If we catch the people that did it, they should be arrested, tried, and convicted, if guilty. They owe a redress to society, and to the people whom they robbed.

Your silly attempt to liken the funding mechanism of government to a petty thief is in plain view of anyone who enters this thread.
 
Re: Thieves teach OWS protestors about redistribution, the hard way

Your silly attempt to liken the funding mechanism of government to a petty thief is in plain view of anyone who enters this thread.

And yet, you are still not address my point. Either put up, or shut up.

If theft is the taking of another persons property without their consent...and income taxes are not supported by all those that pay them...how is income taxation not theft? Your previous answer was because it's the law. But I'll tell you this right now...making it legal does not suddenly change the definition of theft...just like making killing legal does not change the definition of murder.
 
Re: Thieves teach OWS protestors about redistribution, the hard way

Those are the only ones? What about those which sought to redistribute wealth, which is the point of the thread?

Petty theft is not wealth redistribution. Forcing tax payers to water down their money pool and give all the sugar to failing banks = wealth redistribution.

OWS:
"Get governemnt and wallstreet out of bed."
"Stop backroom contracts."
"Stop watering down my money"
"Get the CIA off of wallstreet big wig bench"
"Yay for socialism!" (a very small percent. Usually dumb kids that are parroting stuff they probably heard from a teacher or something)

Cheer squad for this thread:
"AHAHAHA THE STUPID liberal hippy Communists want to steal from the businiess type American and now they are being stolen from... AHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAH!! BWAHAHAAH!!! BAHAAHWHWHAHAH TRORLROLOLOLLLOLOLOLOlllllolo!!!Lol1ol."
 
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Re: Thieves teach OWS protestors about redistribution, the hard way

Your silly attempt to liken the funding mechanism of government to a petty thief is in plain view of anyone who enters this thread.

It's the same thing. Confiscation against your will.

You can get out if it the way the thread is going doesn't work for you.
 
Re: Thieves teach OWS protestors about redistribution, the hard way

Petty theft is not wealth redistribution. Forcing tax payers to water down their money pool and give all the sugar to failing banks = wealth redistribution.

Banks paid it back, with interest.
 
Re: Thieves teach OWS protestors about redistribution, the hard way

Petty theft is not wealth redistribution. Forcing tax payers to water down their money pool and give all the sugar to failing banks = wealth redistribution.

OWS:
"Get governemnt and wallstreet out of bed."
"Stop backroom contracts."
"Stop watering down my money"
"Get the CIA off of wallstreet big wig bench"
"Yay for socialism!" (a very small percent. Usually dumb kids that are parroting stuff they probably heard from a teacher or something)

Cheer squad for this thread:
"AHAHAHA THE STUPID liberal hippy Communists want to steal from the businiess type American and now they are being stolen from... AHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAH!! BWAHAHAAH!!! BAHAAHWHWHAHAH TRORLROLOLOLLLOLOLOLOlllllolo!!!Lol1ol."

It wasn't until fairly recently that I found their MO somewhere out on the internets. Not for nothing, they weren't exactly broadcasting a very coherent, cohesive message about their purpose or their end goals. So don't pick fun of some of the conservatives or others, even non partisans like myself, for not having a clear idea about it. You wanna point your finger at someone, point it at the OWS folks, or more importantly, at the media for misrepresenting them. Not my fault I am acting on the information I have on hand. Change the information I have on hand.
 
Re: Thieves teach OWS protestors about redistribution, the hard way

Banks paid it back, with interest.

We gave them money at basically zero percent interest, paid them interest on that money. We are not going to get that money back.
 
Re: Thieves teach OWS protestors about redistribution, the hard way

We gave them money at basically zero percent interest, paid them interest on that money. We are not going to get that money back.

Banks paid TARP back, with interest.
 
Re: Thieves teach OWS protestors about redistribution, the hard way

BECAUSE they don't have enough income.

If you can decide what is 'too much', why can't others decide what's enough?

The fact is that we should improve our situations largely on our own. That's what successful people do. If you spend your days in the basement watching TV or the computer then you'll probably be less successful than most others. But you can't emerge from your basement occasionally to protest that life isn't fair because of your own laziness or lack of learning.

Life is more likely to be fair if you put in some effort.
 
Re: Thieves teach OWS protestors about redistribution, the hard way

We gave them money at basically zero percent interest, paid them interest on that money. We are not going to get that money back.

Actually, banks are TRYING to pay it back, but Obama refuse to accept it, because while they have that money, he retains some level of control over them. Think of the bailout not so much as us protecting them from failure, but as our government buying 51% controlling share for a temporary period.
 
Re: Thieves teach OWS protestors about redistribution, the hard way

Banks paid TARP back, with interest.

TARP was only a cog in the wheel. We are still to this day bailing banks out. Just like with GM much of this was paid back with money from other government programs such as I noted.....giving them money for free and then paying them interest on that money.
 
Re: Thieves teach OWS protestors about redistribution, the hard way

TARP was only a cog in the wheel. We are still to this day bailing banks out. Just like with GM much of this was paid back with money from other government programs such as I noted.....giving them money for free and then paying them interest on that money.

That, like TARP is a government problem.
 
Re: Thieves teach OWS protestors about redistribution, the hard way

Actually, banks are TRYING to pay it back, but Obama refuse to accept it, because while they have that money, he retains some level of control over them. Think of the bailout not so much as us protecting them from failure, but as our government buying 51% controlling share for a temporary period.

They are under no obligation to pay back the interest we paid them on the money we gave them.
 
Re: Thieves teach OWS protestors about redistribution, the hard way

That, like TARP is a government problem.

I don't disagree. It's always been my position that they both are complicite in the mess.
 
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