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    Re: Catholic Bishop In Kansas Indicted For Child Sex Abuse Conspiracy

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    For a little perspective, the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children doesn't see a "Catholic problem." Nor do insurance companies that offer sexual misconduct liability coverage.

    "Insurance companies that cover all denominations, such as Guide One Center for Risk Management, which has more than 40,000 church clients, does not charge Catholic churches higher premiums. "We don't see vast difference in the incidence rate between one denomination and another," says Sarah Buckley, assistant vice president of corporate communications. "It's pretty even across the denominations." It's been that way for decades."

    Priests Commit No More Abuse Than Other Males - The Daily Beast
    And just how would they have accurate statistics? ...seeing as the church itself had covered up this conduct for years??
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    Re: Catholic Bishop In Kansas Indicted For Child Sex Abuse Conspiracy

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    For a little perspective, the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children doesn't see a "Catholic problem." Nor do insurance companies that offer sexual misconduct liability coverage.

    "Insurance companies that cover all denominations, such as Guide One Center for Risk Management, which has more than 40,000 church clients, does not charge Catholic churches higher premiums. "We don't see vast difference in the incidence rate between one denomination and another," says Sarah Buckley, assistant vice president of corporate communications. "It's pretty even across the denominations." It's been that way for decades."

    Priests Commit No More Abuse Than Other Males - The Daily Beast
    Covering up a crime/comspiracy/aiding and abetting/etc. are intentional acts. In the US, to my almost certain knowledge, nobody can insure against damages for their OWN intentional acts.

    The liability policies you refer to ensure against the risk that, despite having taken all reasonable precautions, a child is nonetheless harmed by an adult affiliated with the church.

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    Re: Catholic Bishop In Kansas Indicted For Child Sex Abuse Conspiracy

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I've never saw where it's been recruited. Link? Same for encouraged. Covered up? Yes indeed.
    I have the experience of having studied for the Catholic priesthood at one point in my life. I gave that up, and eventually gave up Catholicism, not over pedophiles, but over the Church's treatment of women and the fact that I'm pro-choice (legally, at least).

    What I can tell you is that they don't actively look for pedophiles. On the other hand, many of those recruited are not exactly sexually-healthy individuals. When you take someone that isn't healthy, and encourage them to repress their sexuality...what ends up coming out is often twisted and undesirable. And it does comes out.


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    Re: Catholic Bishop In Kansas Indicted For Child Sex Abuse Conspiracy

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post

    What I can tell you is that they don't actively look for pedophiles. On the other hand, many of those recruited are not exactly sexually-healthy individuals. When you take someone that isn't healthy, and encourage them to repress their sexuality...what ends up coming out is often twisted and undesirable. And it does comes out.
    How would they be able to screen for pedophiles? Put the applicant in a room by himself with a camera watching and send in midget dressed a little boy or girl and see if that person behaves odd? Hook sensors up to him and show him flash cards of different women and different children to see what the individual gets sexually aroused by?
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    Re: Catholic Bishop In Kansas Indicted For Child Sex Abuse Conspiracy

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    How would they be able to screen for pedophiles? Put the applicant in a room by himself with a camera watching and send in midget dressed a little boy or girl and see if that person behaves odd? Hook sensors up to him and show him flash cards of different women and different children to see what the individual gets sexually aroused by?
    Some progress has been made, James. To my knowledge, the RCC no longer starts any child on the path to becoming clergy at the age of 14. However, as Rocket said, few healthy adults want/need/choose/can tolerate a lifetime of celibacy.

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    Re: Catholic Bishop In Kansas Indicted For Child Sex Abuse Conspiracy

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I have the experience of having studied for the Catholic priesthood at one point in my life. I gave that up, and eventually gave up Catholicism, not over pedophiles, but over the Church's treatment of women and the fact that I'm pro-choice (legally, at least).

    What I can tell you is that they don't actively look for pedophiles. On the other hand, many of those recruited are not exactly sexually-healthy individuals. When you take someone that isn't healthy, and encourage them to repress their sexuality...what ends up coming out is often twisted and undesirable. And it does comes out.
    I couldn't argue with that, but that is indeed a different arguement. Then again, we want their urges suppressed.

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    Re: Catholic Bishop In Kansas Indicted For Child Sex Abuse Conspiracy

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    And just how would they have accurate statistics? ...seeing as the church itself had covered up this conduct for years??
    Did you read the Daily Beast article I linked? And see the John Jay College of Criminal Justice study stats? What was said about the school for the deaf (mentioned earlier in this thread)?

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    Re: Catholic Bishop In Kansas Indicted For Child Sex Abuse Conspiracy

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Did you read the Daily Beast article I linked? And see the John Jay College of Criminal Justice study stats? What was said about the school for the deaf (mentioned earlier in this thread)?
    Does any of this excuse the Bishop in Kansas, IYO, nota bene?

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    Re: Catholic Bishop In Kansas Indicted For Child Sex Abuse Conspiracy

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Some progress has been made, James. To my knowledge, the RCC no longer starts any child on the path to becoming clergy at the age of 14. However, as Rocket said, few healthy adults want/need/choose/can tolerate a lifetime of celibacy.
    A life of celibacy doesn't have anything to do with whether or not someone wants to molest kids. 50% of child molesters are married. If someone molests a child its because they want to molest a child, not because they are in a occupation that says they can't get any. Because if these sexual urges were so strong that the catholic priests couldn't resist then there would priest and nun sex scandals , there would be catholic priests caught in John stings or a priest using his position to get sexual favors from adult female parishioners. Those that molest children do so because they find young children sexually attractive.

    Pedophilia - children, causes, DSM, functioning, therapy, adults, person, people
    In the United States, about 50% of men arrested for pedophilia are married.
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    Re: Catholic Bishop In Kansas Indicted For Child Sex Abuse Conspiracy

    I for one am glad to hear this. Then again, I'd like to see the pope indicted for all the cover-ups and parish-switching indulged in over the decades with the knowledge and approval of the Vatican.

    None of this could have happened to these hundreds upon hundreds of children over the years without a widespread conspiracy of silence engulfing the entire church hierarchy.

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