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    Re: Catholic Bishop In Kansas Indicted For Child Sex Abuse Conspiracy

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I've never saw where it's been recruited. Link? Same for encouraged. Covered up? Yes indeed.
    There are some who think this is the job description for recruiting priests:

    Unfortunately, the job description for a Catholic priest reads like an ad for pedophiles: must be an unmarried young adult male, not interested in relationships with adult women yet not acknowledge homosexual tendencies, love working with children especially in unsupervised situations like youth groups or altar servers, and believe one has a special relationship with God such that one should be placed in a position of authority due to it.
    Of course, this is facetious. As for encouraging? When "The Catholic Church" engages in damage control rather than calling 911, that is encouraging pedophilia.
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    Re: Catholic Bishop In Kansas Indicted For Child Sex Abuse Conspiracy

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I've never saw where it's been recruited. Link? Same for encouraged. Covered up? Yes indeed.
    I guess you hadda be there, Perry. I grew up in a Catholic orphanage and Catholic foster homes in the 1950's and 1960's. Children were recruited for the clergy as young as 9 years old, and sent to seminaries/etc. as young as 14.....far earlier than anyone healthy could make a decision about sexuality. I'd say about 50% of the nuns I encountered in the orphanage were pedophilies, and all the priests. (The ratio was no doubt extremely high because an orphanage is closed from public view.) IMO, this did not happen by accident. I think as clergy aged and developed sexual urges, they were "encouraged" to express them by pedophilia, which would be overlooked and protected, rather than by sex with another adult, which would get a person excommunicated. There was a generalized attitude, even among the foster parents, that you could do anything you liked with the children, because they "didn't count". (In a spirit of fairness, the 1950's and 1960's were a time where child sex abuse was never discussed anywhere, to my knowledge.)

    This is not JMO, but of course, I can't prove all of these allegations. Nobody can, because the Vatican and the RCC has fought like a tiger to keep all such records completely sealed. I don't think it suddenly started in the 1950's nor do I think it's over....I think it's been embedded in RCC culture for centuries. But THAT, we may never know.
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    Re: Catholic Bishop In Kansas Indicted For Child Sex Abuse Conspiracy

    Five myths about the Catholic sexual abuse scandal
    3. Sexual abuse is more pervasive in the Catholic Church than in other institutions.

    Sexual abuse of minors is not the province of the Catholic Church alone. About 4 percent of priests committed an act of sexual abuse on a minor between 1950 and 2002, according to a study being conducted by John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York. That is roughly consistent with data on many similar professions.
    An extensive 2007 investigation by the Associated Press showed that sexual abuse of children in U.S. schools was "widespread," and most of it was never reported or punished. And in Portland, Ore., last week, a jury reached a $1.4 million verdict against the Boy Scouts of America in a trial that showed that since the 1920s, Scouts officials kept "perversion files" on suspected abusers but kept them secret.
    "We don't see the Catholic Church as a hotbed of this or a place that has a bigger problem than anyone else," Ernie Allen, president of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, told Newsweek. "I can tell you without hesitation that we have seen cases in many religious settings, from traveling evangelists to mainstream ministers to rabbis and others."
    Part of the issue is that the Catholic Church is so tightly organized and keeps such meticulous records -- many of which have come to light voluntarily or through court orders -- that it can yield a fairly reliable portrait of its personnel and abuse over the decades. Other institutions, and most other religions, are more decentralized and harder to analyze or prosecute.
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    Re: Catholic Bishop In Kansas Indicted For Child Sex Abuse Conspiracy

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    In charging the bishop of Kansas City with failure to report child abuse, prosecutors in Missouri have done something unprecedented in the long, troubling saga of the sexual abuse scandal in the U.S. Roman Catholic Church: hold a member of the church hierarchy criminally accountable for the alleged crimes of a priest.

    What remains to be seen is whether the indictment of Bishop Robert Finn will be an isolated event or will encourage prosecutors elsewhere to investigate allegations of coverup against members of the church leadership.





    Prosecutors announced Friday that Finn had been charged with a single misdemeanor count of failure to report child abuse after he allegedly learned but failed to tell authorities that a priest in his diocese had a laptop computer containing hundreds of images of child pornography. Finn's diocese of Kansas City-St. Joseph was also charged.

    "I can assure you that this has nothing nothing to do with the Catholic faith," Jackson County Prosecutor Jean Peters Baker said in announcing the indictments. "This is about the facts of this case, and this is about protecting children."Catholic bishop in Kansas City, Mo., charged in sex abuse case - chicagotribune.com

    Someone already beat you to the thread.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1059873416
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    Re: Catholic Bishop In Kansas Indicted For Child Sex Abuse Conspiracy

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Five myths about the Catholic sexual abuse scandal
    3. Sexual abuse is more pervasive in the Catholic Church than in other institutions.

    Sexual abuse of minors is not the province of the Catholic Church alone. About 4 percent of priests committed an act of sexual abuse on a minor between 1950 and 2002, according to a study being conducted by John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York. That is roughly consistent with data on many similar professions.
    An extensive 2007 investigation by the Associated Press showed that sexual abuse of children in U.S. schools was "widespread," and most of it was never reported or punished. And in Portland, Ore., last week, a jury reached a $1.4 million verdict against the Boy Scouts of America in a trial that showed that since the 1920s, Scouts officials kept "perversion files" on suspected abusers but kept them secret.
    "We don't see the Catholic Church as a hotbed of this or a place that has a bigger problem than anyone else," Ernie Allen, president of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, told Newsweek. "I can tell you without hesitation that we have seen cases in many religious settings, from traveling evangelists to mainstream ministers to rabbis and others."
    Part of the issue is that the Catholic Church is so tightly organized and keeps such meticulous records -- many of which have come to light voluntarily or through court orders -- that it can yield a fairly reliable portrait of its personnel and abuse over the decades. Other institutions, and most other religions, are more decentralized and harder to analyze or prosecute.
    Yeah I would definitely agree that the Catholic Church is perceived to be an institution pervaded by sexual abuse simply because it's reported by the media so much, giving the public a distorted view of the Church as a whole. Doesn't diminish the egregiousness of their actual crimes though, and the fact that leadership often tried to cover it up and sweep it under the rug.

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    Re: Catholic Bishop In Kansas Indicted For Child Sex Abuse Conspiracy

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Yeah I would definitely agree that the Catholic Church is perceived to be an institution pervaded by sexual abuse simply because it's reported by the media so much, giving the public a distorted view of the Church as a whole.Doesn't diminish the egregiousness of their actual crimes though, and the fact that leadership often tried to cover it up and sweep it under the rug. Doesn't diminish the egregiousness of their actual crimes though, and the fact that leadership often tried to cover it up and sweep it under the rug.
    When they do try to hide these scumbags they should be criminally charged. But this lets try to demonize a whole religion because of the actions of a few is ridiculous.

    I did make this poll a while back to see how many people try to blame a whole religion on the actions of a handful of people.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...-daycares.html
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    Re: Catholic Bishop In Kansas Indicted For Child Sex Abuse Conspiracy

    No one is alleging the RCC ran the only organized pedophilia ring to ever exist. Just the largest, the longest lasting, and the only one some people seem willing to excuse.

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    Re: Catholic Bishop In Kansas Indicted For Child Sex Abuse Conspiracy

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Someone already beat you to the thread.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1059873416
    O, I screwed up.

    Mebbe the threads can be merged?

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    Re: Catholic Bishop In Kansas Indicted For Child Sex Abuse Conspiracy

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Of course, this is facetious. As for encouraging? When "The Catholic Church" engages in damage control rather than calling 911, that is encouraging pedophilia.
    Public school officials have been known to engage in damage control. Lately schools have been much tougher on those who do this though which is a good thing.

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    Re: Catholic Bishop In Kansas Indicted For Child Sex Abuse Conspiracy

    For a little perspective, the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children doesn't see a "Catholic problem." Nor do insurance companies that offer sexual misconduct liability coverage.

    "Insurance companies that cover all denominations, such as Guide One Center for Risk Management, which has more than 40,000 church clients, does not charge Catholic churches higher premiums. "We don't see vast difference in the incidence rate between one denomination and another," says Sarah Buckley, assistant vice president of corporate communications. "It's pretty even across the denominations." It's been that way for decades."

    Priests Commit No More Abuse Than Other Males - The Daily Beast

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