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Police, Protesters Clash at Occupy SD

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Some times I am shocked and occasionally amazed but being shocked and amazed is as rare as Obama doing the thing.
San Diego is is my favorite City in the whole world but alas it's a Sanctuary City run by a bunch of Idiots.
Knowing that is why I am both shocked and amazed that they took this action.
Now if Bloomberg in NYC would grow a pair and remove the unwashed idiots in from the park in NYC that would be a great thing.
You have to pretty much a real scum bag to do what these "protesters" basically wallowing in filth.
I have to say the worst I have heard is there a people there who quit their jobs to "protest" there not being enough jobs.
My God are these fools that stupid? It seems that there was an offer to pay people to protest making the claims of grass roots movement.
I fear this is going to be blood bath before this is over, or at least it will take full riot riot gear by the Police who my have to use serious force to to remove these people. But then they all need a shower from what I hear.

Police, Protesters Clash at Occupy SD | NBC San Diego
Two demonstrators at the weeklong Occupy San Diego protest were arrested Friday at the San Diego Civic Center Plaza.
At about noon Friday, officers began moving protesters out of the Plaza as well and protesters resisted.

San Diego police officers held true to their warning and forcibly removed tents that had not been removed by the midnight deadline. At about 7:30 a.m. Friday, they arrested one man, said SDPD Chief William Lansdowne.

Officers had released a warning to Occupy SD organizers Thursday afternoon. After the midnight deadline, police extended the warning until 7 a.m. Friday. Any tents left on the property would be removed and those who resisted would be arrested.
 
Does anyone else see similarities between the protests today and those in the 1960s and 70s? The ways they are treated by police and some politicians is disgraceful.
 
...Now if Bloomberg in NYC would grow a pair and remove the unwashed idiots in from the park in NYC that would be a great thing....

why, because you disagree with the OWS folks and them getting daily attention bothers you?
 
Some times I am shocked and occasionally amazed but being shocked and amazed is as rare as Obama doing the thing.
San Diego is is my favorite City in the whole world but alas it's a Sanctuary City run by a bunch of Idiots.
Knowing that is why I am both shocked and amazed that they took this action.
Now if Bloomberg in NYC would grow a pair and remove the unwashed idiots in from the park in NYC that would be a great thing.
You have to pretty much a real scum bag to do what these "protesters" basically wallowing in filth.
I have to say the worst I have heard is there a people there who quit their jobs to "protest" there not being enough jobs.
My God are these fools that stupid? It seems that there was an offer to pay people to protest making the claims of grass roots movement.
I fear this is going to be blood bath before this is over, or at least it will take full riot riot gear by the Police who my have to use serious force to to remove these people. But then they all need a shower from what I hear.

Actually, being a San Diegan, I've been following this a bit.

The occupation in San Diego is actually in an area where dance recitals etc are held. An event is actually scheduled for Saturday.

Two people were actually arrested.

They are not allowing people to sleep on site, but they did allow them to leave a tent up as a symbol and are allowing them to gather each day.

I'm not happy about it, but it does seem like they chose a less than ideal location to post up in. Other public spaces exist downtown that aren't actually performance spaces and the plaza for the civic theatre. I can understand maybe wanting to be visible to opera goers, but its a general event venue. We saw Blue Man Group there recently.

We are planning to go down and check it out. I'll post what I find out from the horses mouth, as it were.
 
Some times I am shocked and occasionally amazed but being shocked and amazed is as rare as Obama doing the thing.
San Diego is is my favorite City in the whole world but alas it's a Sanctuary City run by a bunch of Idiots.
Knowing that is why I am both shocked and amazed that they took this action.
Now if Bloomberg in NYC would grow a pair and remove the unwashed idiots in from the park in NYC that would be a great thing.
You have to pretty much a real scum bag to do what these "protesters" basically wallowing in filth.
I have to say the worst I have heard is there a people there who quit their jobs to "protest" there not being enough jobs.
My God are these fools that stupid? It seems that there was an offer to pay people to protest making the claims of grass roots movement.
I fear this is going to be blood bath before this is over, or at least it will take full riot riot gear by the Police who my have to use serious force to to remove these people. But then they all need a shower from what I hear.

I didn't read anything about filth, much less wallowing in it. I don't understand why this is so offensive. The right to peaceful assembly is guaranteed and civil disobedience (by refusing to disperse) is a tried and true method of protest. It's nothing new. Well, whatever.
 
I'm curious what councilman thinks that these protests are about. I've found that many conservatives are a tad misinformed by the media, and a lot of them don't bother to actually visit these movement's websites and learn for themselves.
 
I'm curious what councilman thinks that these protests are about. I've found that many conservatives are a tad misinformed by the media, and a lot of them don't bother to actually visit these movement's websites and learn for themselves.

The real question is, what do you think they are about?

J-mac
 
The real question is, what do you think they are about?

J-mac

I don't see a real clear message. It is entertaining however and similar to the hippies incoherent cultural non-message of the 60s and 70s.

Like Yogi Berra would have said, "It's Déjà vu all over again."
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1059875656 said:
I don't see a real clear message. It is entertaining however and similar to the hippies incoherent cultural non-message of the 60s and 70s.

Like Yogi Berra would have said, "It's Déjà vu all over again."

What isn't clear about stopping greed and social inequality today? And what wasn't clear about peace and love in the 60s and 70s?


I would really like to know how much are some of you reading into these protests? I've read countless articles and watched numerous videos, both from the news and amateur videos, and it's pretty clear to me what they are protesting.
 
What isn't clear about stopping greed and social inequality today? And what wasn't clear about peace and love in the 60s and 70s?


I would really like to know how much are some of you reading into these protests? I've read countless articles and watched numerous videos, both from the news and amateur videos, and it's pretty clear to me what they are protesting.

I didn't ask what they are protesting; I asked what's their message. They have no clear message; they are protesting the world financial and economic culture, right? So what's the message other than they don't like what they don't like? How do they plan to influence change? That would be a clear message.
 
What isn't clear about stopping greed and social inequality today? And what wasn't clear about peace and love in the 60s and 70s?


I would really like to know how much are some of you reading into these protests? I've read countless articles and watched numerous videos, both from the news and amateur videos, and it's pretty clear to me what they are protesting.


Thank you. Perfect parallel.


The 60's anti-war hippie protesters (I was around and knew more than a few, though I was a kid), were not exactly diplomatic genius types who had a viable plan for world peace. From what I recall, they were composed about equally of stoners whose main motives were not wanting to go to Vietnam, preferring to stay stoned all day, avoid work as much as possible, and take advantage of the sexual revolution.... and hyper-idealistic college kids or college dropouts who were so full of slogans and chants and RAGE that they couldn't stop to consider an alternative viewpoint.

So many of them thought if we just laid down all our arms and put daisies in our hair and sang "Let the sunshine in", the Soviet Union and etc would go "Aw, how sweet, let's be nice to them and go have a drum circle and score some weed." :lamo Um, No.... the truth of the world is that showing an unwillingness to fight is like wearing a roast pig on your back in a tiger cage.

Like the hippies of the 60's, I tend to think the OWS protesters are a mix of naive ideologues and lazy opportunists, based on what I've seen. Many interviewees seem to have only a very vague idea of what they're protesting for, and even less idea of what they'd replace the current system with. Others have these incredibly unrealistic anarchist notions that in the absence of all gov't that people would just naturally be cooperative and communitarian and everything would be groovy, baby. :roll:


The 60's anti-war, anti-caplitalism, anti-Establishment hippies didn't really change much in the world, overall. Society is still structured much the same, with work and jobs and corporations and rich people and politicians and wars. Many of the very people who were hippy protesters back then are now capitalists, corporatists, and politicians, and they're not ushering in any Age of Aquarius. :lamo


The OWS is likely just another flash in the pan, but an even smaller and less significant one.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1059876573 said:
I didn't ask what they are protesting; I asked what's their message. They have no clear message; they are protesting the world financial and economic culture, right? So what's the message other than they don't like what they don't like? How do they plan to influence change? That would be a clear message.


Message begins at 2:25, but feel free to watch the entire thing...

 
What isn't clear about stopping greed and social inequality today?

It seems to be the protesters that are asking for something for nothing. That's rather greedy.

And what the hell is "social inequality"?

Have you taken a close look at these people? If so it should be clear they don't fit into the higher social circles.
 
It seems to be the protesters that are asking for something for nothing. That's rather greedy.

And what the hell is "social inequality"?

Have you taken a close look at these people? If so it should be clear they don't fit into the higher social circles.

Or, you could say that the 99% are standing up against the bloated bailouts, bonuses, and tax breaks the 1% gets for nothing (excepting political contributions, that is.)

The fact that you can't define "social inequality" demonstrates an ignorance of the demographics of the country you live in. (And if I were to hazard a guess, probably indicates you are a white male.) Perhaps social inequality could refer to the growing inequality of income and wealth, or perhaps the educational and life prospects of a child born into urban poverty as compared to one born into suburban comfort. Maybe you could consider the racial disparities of incarceration rates, or the income gap between male and female, or the racial or income disparities in healthcare acess... take your pick: those are social inequalities.

The ideal of the US as a meritocracy is a myth; social mobility is far more limited in the US than people realize. Most citizens, such as yourself, Grant, belive in myth more than reality, because it's so much more comfortable. It's similar to the passengers on the Titanic who never attempted to get in a lifeboat, because the advertizements clearly stated she was "unsinkable."
 
Or, you could say that the 99% are standing up against the bloated bailouts, bonuses, and tax breaks the 1% gets for nothing (excepting political contributions, that is.)

It seems like a very great assumption, and likely a false one, that they have the support or interest of 99% of the people.
The fact that you can't define "social inequality" demonstrates an ignorance of the demographics of the country you live in. (And if I were to hazard a guess, probably indicates you are a white male.) Perhaps social inequality could refer to the growing inequality of income and wealth, or perhaps the educational and life prospects of a child born into urban poverty as compared to one born into suburban comfort. Maybe you could consider the racial disparities of incarceration rates, or the income gap between male and female, or the racial or income disparities in healthcare acess... take your pick: those are social inequalities.

Right. Some people are in jail and others aren't. Perhaps there should be quota systems in the areas you mentioned, or restrictions on where people can live. How about changing the educational system to vouchers so children have a chance to learn rather than turning the entire country into another Detroit? The idea that some people are paid more because they are worth more doesn't seem to register.

The ideal of the US as a meritocracy is a myth; social mobility is far more limited in the US than people realize. Most citizens, such as yourself, Grant, belive in myth more than reality, because it's so much more comfortable. It's similar to the passengers on the Titanic who never attempted to get in a lifeboat, because the advertizements clearly stated she was "unsinkable."

I agree that that the United States is sinking, to continue with your analogy, but that's because almost 50% of the people don't pay any federal incomes taxes and the current administration can't even present a budget, must less balance one. Were the OWS and those with their shared philosophies working and paying taxes perhaps the US wouldn't be compared to the Titanic,
 
. How about changing the educational system to vouchers so children have a chance to learn rather than turning the entire country into another Detroit? The idea that some people are paid more because they are worth more doesn't seem to register.
Fwiw, I'm with you on vouchers. But that point about people being paid more because they are worth more is where we diverge. Of course, it is true to some point, but I don't believe anyone is "worth" hundreds or thousands as times as much as anyone else.
 
Fwiw, I'm with you on vouchers. But that point about people being paid more because they are worth more is where we diverge. Of course, it is true to some point, but I don't believe anyone is "worth" hundreds or thousands as times as much as anyone else.

The idea that everyone is worth an equal amount of money per hour, week or month does suggest meritocracy is dead, and without rising on merit there is no compelling reason for ambition or improvement. These same people who feel everyone has the same work ethic and income value have never met a payroll or made any serious contribution to increase the national GDP and yet feel qualified as to what income Wall Street workers should be paid or what bonuses they should receive. It is a finely tuned combination of ignorance and arrogance coming from an unqualified and uneducated group of people who sense of hygiene is not even a priority.
 
The idea that everyone is worth an equal amount of money per hour, week or month does suggest meritocracy is dead, and without rising on merit there is no compelling reason for ambition or improvement. These same people who feel everyone has the same work ethic and income value have never met a payroll or made any serious contribution to increase the national GDP and yet feel qualified as to what income Wall Street workers should be paid or what bonuses they should receive. It is a finely tuned combination of ignorance and arrogance coming from an unqualified and uneducated group of people who sense of hygiene is not even a priority.

I agree that not all work is equal in value, and people should receive pay based on that. Karl Marx is long dead. I only took issue with your statement about people being paid what they are worth. I think it's silly to think: 1. The market provides an infallable measure of worth (e.g. staying in the home to raise children is worthless) and 2. That Bill Gates' life is worth tens of thousands of middle class lives.

That being said, I think everyone is "worth" a sustinance level of income, and no one's work is "worth" thousands of times anyone else's. Double? Triple? 100s of times? Yes, probably... but not the multiples we see between laborers, professionals, and the 1%ers. This is not a black or white choice between communism and unbridled free market capitalism. To frame it as such is disingenuous.
 
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I agree that not all work is equal in value, and people should receive pay based on that. Karl Marx is long dead. I only took issue with your statement about people being paid what they are worth. I think it's silly to think: 1. The market provides an infallable measure of worth (e.g. staying in the home to raise children is worthless) and 2. That Bill Gates' life is worth tens of thousands of middle class lives.

The fact is that we cannot set up a committees to determine the value of an individual's labor, nor the outcome of that labor. That is up to the person paying for the services. If a Wall Street company feels that their president is worth ten million dollars a year then they are likely in a position to know, and if that sounds good than we should all aspire to becoming successful company presidents. Unions feel all their members are equally capable, and we know that not to be the truth, yet we are forced to play along with it or our country's economy will be shut down.
That being said, I think everyone is "worth" a sustinance level of income, and no one's work is "worth" thousands of times anyone else's. Double? Triple? 100s of times? Yes, probably... but not the multiples we see between laborers, professionals, and the 1%ers. This is not a black or white choice between communism and unbridled free market capitalism. To frame it as such is disingenuous.

The answer, as it always is, in education. Those who are educated and have ambition will be in charge and it doesn't matter whether they are in industry or in government. Sack all industry and you'll still have politicians and their cronies making hundreds of thousands, or millions as in the case of Richard Syron or Franklin Raines.

Now we have groups who have little real education wanting 'equality' when they are not equal and, if their situation remains the same, never will be. People will often they'll attach themselves to a scoundrel who they feel speaks their language and feels their pain, and usually to their own detriment.
 
Does anyone else see similarities between the protests today and those in the 1960s and 70s? The ways they are treated by police and some politicians is disgraceful.

I see the similarties between these protestors and the Nazis in 1939.....Today I heard a woman quoted on the news who said get rid of all the jews in this country....I hope these nuts don't start another massacure of the Jews. Its really scary to hear the things they say................
 
OWS is (very) thinly veiled anti-Semitism.
 
OWS is (very) thinly veiled anti-Semitism.

To me they are not even hiding it..........They really don't care...They want something for nothing.................
 
OWS is (very) thinly veiled anti-Semitism.

So this is the talking point I keep hearing from Hannity and the others in the echo chamber... what's the deal? Sounds like a pretty desperate smear. How is loan forgivness and being anti-bailout anti-semetic? I just heard this right wing meme today, and I'm curious to know how the story goes.
 
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