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    Re: Police, Protesters Clash at Occupy SD

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    I agree that not all work is equal in value, and people should receive pay based on that. Karl Marx is long dead. I only took issue with your statement about people being paid what they are worth. I think it's silly to think: 1. The market provides an infallable measure of worth (e.g. staying in the home to raise children is worthless) and 2. That Bill Gates' life is worth tens of thousands of middle class lives.
    The fact is that we cannot set up a committees to determine the value of an individual's labor, nor the outcome of that labor. That is up to the person paying for the services. If a Wall Street company feels that their president is worth ten million dollars a year then they are likely in a position to know, and if that sounds good than we should all aspire to becoming successful company presidents. Unions feel all their members are equally capable, and we know that not to be the truth, yet we are forced to play along with it or our country's economy will be shut down.
    That being said, I think everyone is "worth" a sustinance level of income, and no one's work is "worth" thousands of times anyone else's. Double? Triple? 100s of times? Yes, probably... but not the multiples we see between laborers, professionals, and the 1%ers. This is not a black or white choice between communism and unbridled free market capitalism. To frame it as such is disingenuous.
    The answer, as it always is, in education. Those who are educated and have ambition will be in charge and it doesn't matter whether they are in industry or in government. Sack all industry and you'll still have politicians and their cronies making hundreds of thousands, or millions as in the case of Richard Syron or Franklin Raines.

    Now we have groups who have little real education wanting 'equality' when they are not equal and, if their situation remains the same, never will be. People will often they'll attach themselves to a scoundrel who they feel speaks their language and feels their pain, and usually to their own detriment.

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    Re: Police, Protesters Clash at Occupy SD

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post
    Does anyone else see similarities between the protests today and those in the 1960s and 70s? The ways they are treated by police and some politicians is disgraceful.
    I see the similarties between these protestors and the Nazis in 1939.....Today I heard a woman quoted on the news who said get rid of all the jews in this country....I hope these nuts don't start another massacure of the Jews. Its really scary to hear the things they say................
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    Re: Police, Protesters Clash at Occupy SD

    OWS is (very) thinly veiled anti-Semitism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reg View Post
    OWS is (very) thinly veiled anti-Semitism.
    To me they are not even hiding it..........They really don't care...They want something for nothing.................
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reg View Post
    OWS is (very) thinly veiled anti-Semitism.
    So this is the talking point I keep hearing from Hannity and the others in the echo chamber... what's the deal? Sounds like a pretty desperate smear. How is loan forgivness and being anti-bailout anti-semetic? I just heard this right wing meme today, and I'm curious to know how the story goes.
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    Re: Police, Protesters Clash at Occupy SD

    Quote Originally Posted by nijato View Post
    So this is the talking point I keep hearing from Hannity and the others in the echo chamber... what's the deal? Sounds like a pretty desperate smear. How is loan forgivness and being anti-bailout anti-semetic? I just heard this right wing meme today, and I'm curious to know how the story goes.
    Listen to the sound bites from the protestors.

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    I tuned in right after the segment... sorry I missed it, but I assume (correct me if I am mistaken) that it was one or two people in a movement of thousands. And, (legitamate information seeking question here) was it real antisemitism (e.g. it's all the Jew's fault, get 'em!), or was it about policies like aid to Israel, Palestinian statehood, etc.?
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    Re: Police, Protesters Clash at Occupy SD

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I see the similarties between these protestors and the Nazis in 1939.....Today I heard a woman quoted on the news who said get rid of all the jews in this country....I hope these nuts don't start another massacure of the Jews. Its really scary to hear the things they say................
    The Left always has a problem with Jews. It's the same in much of Europe and the UK.

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    Re: Police, Protesters Clash at Occupy SD

    Quote Originally Posted by nijato View Post
    So this is the talking point I keep hearing from Hannity and the others in the echo chamber... what's the deal? Sounds like a pretty desperate smear. How is loan forgivness and being anti-bailout anti-semetic? I just heard this right wing meme today, and I'm curious to know how the story goes.
    This is from a school teacher in California! Conservative Blogs Central: OWS Protester Goes Off On Those Damn Greedy Jews

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    Re: Police, Protesters Clash at Occupy SD

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Actually, being a San Diegan, I've been following this a bit.

    The occupation in San Diego is actually in an area where dance recitals etc are held. An event is actually scheduled for Saturday.

    Two people were actually arrested.

    They are not allowing people to sleep on site, but they did allow them to leave a tent up as a symbol and are allowing them to gather each day.

    I'm not happy about it, but it does seem like they chose a less than ideal location to post up in. Other public spaces exist downtown that aren't actually performance spaces and the plaza for the civic theatre. I can understand maybe wanting to be visible to opera goers, but its a general event venue. We saw Blue Man Group there recently.

    We are planning to go down and check it out. I'll post what I find out from the horses mouth, as it were.
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