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    Re: Administration Dismantles Significant Piece of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    CBO estimated that CLASS would lower short-term deficits but that it would increase deficits in the long term, so it was of course never claimed to be "a major 'cost savings'". Typical BS.
    Care to cough up a source? I read CLASS made up $70 billion of the $124 billion in total BOCare savings over the ten year projection......that came from the WSJ today. Maybe you think that is irrelevant, I don't. Typical BS.
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    Re: Obama pulls plug on part of health overhaul law

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    The Dems had the votes to not need the GOP. They couldn't even agree with each other, the GOP should have?
    They did. But the entire townhall that went with the death panel stuff, too often promoted by republicans and tea party folk, damaged the entire process. We ahve always seen such dishohesty in the health care debate. Obama sought to try and weaken it by seeking compromise, throwing in republican ideas, to which republicans turned on a dime to no longer support.

    It was his biggest mistake.

    Real reform will never be done with republicans. I wish I could say differently. I also wish democrats were more disciplined and able to aline in order to get something done. But neither is currently true.

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    Re: Obama pulls plug on part of health overhaul law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    They did. But the entire townhall that went with the death panel stuff, too often promoted by republicans and tea party folk, damaged the entire process. We ahve always seen such dishohesty in the health care debate. Obama sought to try and weaken it by seeking compromise, throwing in republican ideas, to which republicans turned on a dime to no longer support.

    It was his biggest mistake.

    Real reform will never be done with republicans. I wish I could say differently. I also wish democrats were more disciplined and able to aline in order to get something done. But neither is currently true.
    When it was noted that things like we have here were never going to work the same complaints were made.

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    Re: Obama pulls plug on part of health overhaul law

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I suggest you look up the actual definition of socialism instead of using it as a generic term for everything you don't like.
    Socialism is a political term applied to an economic system in which property is held in common and not individually. Insurance, of any kind, is socialism. You pay in, "property", which is then held by the company, representing the "common", or collective, and is accessed based on need. In health insurance, healthy people, who don't really need health care, but for in anyway, fund those who DO need health care. IE. Socialism.

    Now, again, class, when socialism is mandated, or forced, what does it become?

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    Re: Administration Dismantles Significant Piece of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by conservativeguy View Post
    Care to cough up a source? I read CLASS made up $70 billion of the $124 billion in total BOCare savings over the ten year projection......that came from the WSJ today. Maybe you think that is irrelevant, I don't. Typical BS.
    CLASS was one of the "we start collecting years before we start paying" things - so they set it up to collect premiums for 5 years before it began to actually provide care. Since the CBO stopped grading at the ten year mark (and since CLASS didnt' start for another three years), they were able to "reduce the budget" by getting credit for five years of collection and two years of payment.

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    Re: Obama pulls plug on part of health overhaul law

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    When it was noted that things like we have here were never going to work the same complaints were made.
    Not sure exactly what you're saying, but dishonesty should always be complained about. This issue needs to be discussed honestly with the lies and exaggerations on both sides. What we got was a result of the lies, which hindered discussion. Obama should not have seeked compromise, as much as I like compromise, with people who clearly will not ever truely try to reform health care. From Harry and Louise to Death panels, they will always try to distort the issue. And no, I don't think such distortions are limited to one side, or one issue, but on this issue, the greater, more egregious lies came from republicans and tea party types.

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    Re: Obama pulls plug on part of health overhaul law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not sure exactly what you're saying, but dishonesty should always be complained about. This issue needs to be discussed honestly with the lies and exaggerations on both sides. What we got was a result of the lies, which hindered discussion. Obama should not have seeked compromise, as much as I like compromise, with people who clearly will not ever truely try to reform health care. From Harry and Louise to Death panels, they will always try to distort the issue. And no, I don't think such distortions are limited to one side, or one issue, but on this issue, the greater, more egregious lies came from republicans and tea party types.
    Refusing to discuss "death panels" was the dishonest position. To lower costs we are going to have to go here. "No, we will not pay for your 85 year old grandpa's transplant".

    Other countries with government controlled health care are doing this. We will have to sooner or later regardless also. Both sides were dishonest here.

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    Re: Obama pulls plug on part of health overhaul law

    Quote Originally Posted by Antiderivative View Post
    Considering that Obamacare was nothing, but a re-hashed Republican bill from the early 90's, it was doomed to fail.
    I would love to see a copy of this "Republican bill". Care to post it or a link to it ???

    A couple of conservative pundits wrote about healthcare reform that had some elements of Obama Care, which does NOT mean it was a "Republican idea".

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    Re: Obama pulls plug on part of health overhaul law

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Refusing to discuss "death panels" was the dishonest position. To lower costs we are going to have to go here. "No, we will not pay for your 85 year old grandpa's transplant".

    Other countries with government controlled health care are doing this. We will have to sooner or later regardless also. Both sides were dishonest here.
    We don't pay for them now, and it's not a death panel. This is the point. It's a dishonest representation.

    No, we can't pay for everything. We can't now. And panels with every insurance comapny, and at our own kitichen tables makes these decicions daily, and none of it can be called a death panle honestly. Language matters, and how we present something matters. When we do so dishonestly, we corrupt the discourse.

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    Re: Obama pulls plug on part of health overhaul law

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Refusing to discuss "death panels" was the dishonest position. To lower costs we are going to have to go here. "No, we will not pay for your 85 year old grandpa's transplant".

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    Uhmm the cut off age for a heart transplant is 65. And that was before the ACA.

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