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    Re: Obama pulls plug on part of health overhaul law

    Quote Originally Posted by Reg View Post
    How you pay for your health care is betwen you and your provider.
    Which has what to do with what I said? if you are not insured, the likelihood is you won't be paying. We all will be paying for you one way or another.

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    Re: Obama pulls plug on part of health overhaul law

    That's between you and your provider. Government changes nothing of that.

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    Re: Obama pulls plug on part of health overhaul law

    Quote Originally Posted by Reg View Post
    That's between you and your provider. Government changes nothing of that.
    No, if I'm unsured, it is between me and all those who will have to pay for me. Are you sure you're reading my responses?

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    Re: Obama pulls plug on part of health overhaul law

    If your provider already shifts those costs, then government adds nothing to the transaction.

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    Re: Obama pulls plug on part of health overhaul law

    Eh, actually...when someone turns up in ER, that hospital treats them, regardless of ability to pay. People getting emergency treatment and then NOT paying forces a hospital, as it would ANY business owner, to have to spread that cost around to the rest of the customers/patients. Or go out of business.

    The counter point to that is, those unpaid for treatments only account for a very small percentage of the high and rising cost of health care. Regulation, and the monopolization the resulted from it, is the number one cause of high costs. If you've ever known a doctor or nurse, or anyone that works in the medical profession, they'll tell you about it....how a bed pan costs 100 bucks or more, because there is only one or two companies they are ALLOWED to purchase them from, or bandages and gauze, etc.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Obama pulls plug on part of health overhaul law

    So is government going to stand in the doorway of the ER and tell you whether you can get care there or not?

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    Re: Obama pulls plug on part of health overhaul law

    Quote Originally Posted by Reg View Post
    If your provider already shifts those costs, then government adds nothing to the transaction.
    If it were truly between you and the provider, and you didn't have insurance, and failed a credit check, you wouldn't get treatment. And just imagine running a credit check on a guy dieing in ER, lol. Doctors aren't monsters, but something like you seem to support would force them to be, or to go out of business.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Obama pulls plug on part of health overhaul law

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Eh, actually...when someone turns up in ER, that hospital treats them, regardless of ability to pay. People getting emergency treatment and then NOT paying forces a hospital, as it would ANY business owner, to have to spread that cost around to the rest of the customers/patients. Or go out of business.

    The counter point to that is, those unpaid for treatments only account for a very small percentage of the high and rising cost of health care. Regulation, and the monopolization the resulted from it, is the number one cause of high costs. If you've ever known a doctor or nurse, or anyone that works in the medical profession, they'll tell you about it....how a bed pan costs 100 bucks or more, because there is only one or two companies they are ALLOWED to purchase them from, or bandages and gauze, etc.
    I used to sell medical suppleis. They were rather free to choose who they bought things from. We would give then things for free to keep their business, but the charged a **** load for thos ethings, to make up for what they would not get paid.

    There is a lot that adds to the cost of health care, but being unisured only means we'll all pay for those who guess wrong.

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    Re: Obama pulls plug on part of health overhaul law

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    If it were truly between you and the provider, and you didn't have insurance, and failed a credit check, you wouldn't get treatment. And just imagine running a credit check on a guy dieing in ER, lol. Doctors aren't monsters, but something like you seem to support would force them to be, or to go out of business.
    Not true. Health care providers give away a lot. They should not be indentured servants of government, however.

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    Re: Obama pulls plug on part of health overhaul law

    Quote Originally Posted by Reg View Post
    So is government going to stand in the doorway of the ER and tell you whether you can get care there or not?
    No. With the health insurance bill, they were going to enforce that all americans have health insurance, either through private, or public options. Since that portion is not going to go into effect, we're more or less right back to where we started...hospitals treat patients who are in need, and when those people can't pay, the hospital eats the cost...and then passes it on to the other, paying patients.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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