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    Re: Obama pulls plug on part of health overhaul law

    Why would government tell me I can not buy such a policy?

    Defend that.

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    Re: Obama pulls plug on part of health overhaul law

    Quote Originally Posted by Reg View Post
    Why would government tell me I can not buy such a policy?

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    Why would I defend something you can't even prove happens?

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    Re: Obama pulls plug on part of health overhaul law

    If I did not want to buy a health insurance policy at all, why would government demand that I do?

    Defend that.

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    Re: Obama pulls plug on part of health overhaul law

    Quote Originally Posted by Reg View Post
    If I did not want to buy a health insurance policy at all, why would government demand that I do?

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    because all of us pay for you when you guess wrong and can't pay for it. Much like happens with auto insurance, we pick up the tab for your irresponsibility. Unless we are willing to let you die without care, and we're not, your cost will be passsed on to others if your not covered and can't pay for it. you're actually arguing for irresponibility.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama pulls plug on part of health overhaul law

    Auto insurance is to protect you from my car hurting you or damaging your car.

    Does government foster responsibility? What is the data to support that?

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    Re: Obama pulls plug on part of health overhaul law

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    Auto insurance is to protect you from my car hurting you or damaging your car.

    Does government foster responsibility? What is the data to support that?
    Health insurance is to prevent you from making us pay for you. Very similar to auto insurance in that way.

    Requiring you to be responible does more to foster responible behavior than not doing so. That's just simple logic. And we have auto insurance as a model to support this.
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    Re: Obama pulls plug on part of health overhaul law

    Auto insurance is intended to mitigate damage or injury to others you may cause while driving. You don't have to buy auto insurance unless you drive.

    So we've moved beyond the claim that government is not gaming the health insurance market to saying that government "should" game the health insurance market.

    What's the competence of government making people responsible? Subsidized housing? Food assistance?

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    Re: Obama pulls plug on part of health overhaul law

    Health insurance, in a nut shell, is a collective fund, where in the majority of healthy people who enter the pool don't withdraw from the fund, and the unhealthy minority who enter do. In simple english, the healthy pay for the problems of the unhealthy, on the premise that the healthy might one day be unhealthy with problems that need paying for. Text book socialism. Don't get me wrong, and don't automatically attach a negative stigma to that word...socialism has it's uses, very valuable uses.

    BUT. BUT!

    When entering into that program is no longer a choice...but enforced by law, then we have a problem, because then it's no longer just socialism, it's fascism. No one tells me who I have to be a customer to.

    This isn't a health care bill, it's a health INSURANCE bill. And that's where it goes wrong, imo.
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    Re: Obama pulls plug on part of health overhaul law

    Quote Originally Posted by Reg View Post
    Auto insurance is intended to mitigate damage or injury to others you may cause while driving. You don't have to buy auto insurance unless you drive.

    So we've moved beyond the claim that government is not gaming the health insurance market to saying that government "should" game the health insurance market.

    What's the competence of government making people responsible? Subsidized housing? Food assistance?
    No one said they should "game" it. Like auto insurance, which is to midigate the damage cause to others, health insurance midgates the damage caused to others by having to pay for their care. now, read that slowly. I want to make sure you see it this time. If you guess wrong, get injured or ill and have need you can't pay for, others ahve to pay for you.

    Now, while you can choose not to drive, it is really impossible to choose not to be injured or ill. **** happens and we really can't prevent all possibilities. So, opting out is much more difficult. And any one who actually ahs a enough money to opt out, likely already ahs insurance because they are not so stupid as to go without.

    I don't have to pay for you housing if you refuse to live in a house. I don't have to pay for you food if you choose not to eat.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama pulls plug on part of health overhaul law

    How you pay for your health care is betwen you and your provider.

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