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Obama Sends U.S. Troops to Central Africa to Aid Campaign Against Rebel Group

Proud South Korean said:
This thread is about one of the world's most insane and inhumane person humanity has ever seen, and how to deal with him. If you want to turn this into another anti-Obama slugfest, take it somewhere else. Please
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Admit it. You hadn't even heard of him until a week ago. None of you had. Useful idiots can always be found apologizing for the one term Marxist president Obama.
 
Kandahar said:
There is less likely to be mission creep in a case like this than there is in wars we enter for political reasons. In this case, the mission is pretty clearly defined (capture/kill Joseph Kony and disrupt the LRA's ability to operate), it is widely supported among both the governments and the people of the countries in question, and it doesn't require much manpower to pull it off.

If the US is going to intervene in other countries, this is exactly the type of place and situation where we can do a lot of good for very little cost. I'd much rather be involved here than in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen, and Libya.
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In other words you prefer to use the military for frivolous reasons instead of defending or furthering US national security interests.

Why aren't you calling for us to be in every nation where kittens have been harmed by bad guys?
 
Yet another war we are going to be engaged in, ahem what is the direct threat again? Oh yea, who's paying for it both in blood and treasure, the American family who is already tapped out and tapped out for the next generation. This country can ill afford any gallivanting on white horse all around the world.
 
Kandahar said:
I think you misunderstand what the LRA does exactly. They aren't exactly a rebel group that is at war with the government to gain political power...at least not in the traditional sense. They're more like a marauding band of criminals that murders, rapes, kidnaps, and steals from whoever they can, whenever they can. . . So destroying them doesn't exactly help "another pack of assholes gain more power," it just helps secure the area.
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Given your train of thought should the one term Marxist president Obama send one hundred US special forces to south central Los Angeles?
 
sawyerloggingon said:
You focus on no WMD because that is the one reason of the many reasons Bush gave that didn't pan out.
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To be fair, even the bush Admin knew that they couldn't sell the war w/o the WMD threat. So to point out that the main reason we went to war was not as it seemed is actually a valid and potent critique. They literally had a meeting and realized that they couldn't get us to go to war w/o that threat.
Your response that there were other lesser reasons which would not have motivated us to war by themselves does not lessen the power of critique about the main selling point of the war which motivated people to agree to the war.
 
Misterveritis said:
Of course he is a Marxist. His father and mother were Marxists. His mentor was a Marxist. He associated himself with Marxists and communists in college. He spent twenty years in a church whose central tenet was black liberation theology, also Marxist. His core beliefs are Marxist. He is anti-capitalist. A bailout is not a capitalist idea. Allowing either success or failure based on free market forces is capitalist.

He used the bailout money as a slush fund to reward his contributors and friends. He and the group he aligned himself with are corrupt.
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You have yet to provide hard evidence that President Obama is a Marxist.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
You just can't grasp the big picture. You focus on no WMD because that is the one reason of the many reasons Bush gave that didn't pan out.You choose to ignore the other reasons I specifically laid out in my previous post because you are a blind bitter Bush basher that would rather spout anti Bush rhetoric than see the facts. He specifically stated Saddam's abuse of Iraq citizens, the very reason obama is sending troops to Africa to take sides in a civil war. A move you libs fully support. Your hypocrisy is staggering in it's scope.
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I focus on WMDs and al Qaeda because those were the two justifications the Bush admin emphasized before the Iraq invasion. The other reasons were just cushion justifications that he knew would not be enough to go to war with right after 9/11. The rest of your post is just unsubstantiated, emotional claims about a person you don't know.
 
Misterveritis said:
Admit it. You hadn't even heard of him until a week ago. None of you had.
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I can't speak for anyone else, but I certainly had. Joseph Kony has been one of Africa's most notorious murderers for years. Just because YOU were ignorant about the issue doesn't mean that everyone else was.

Useful idiots can always be found apologizing for the one term Marxist president Obama.
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It doesn't have anything to do with Obama. It has to do with being able to stop a disgusting band of butchers from wreaking havoc on innocent people, at very little cost.
 
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Misterveritis said:
Given your train of thought should the one term Marxist president Obama send one hundred US special forces to south central Los Angeles?
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Umm, you mean the FBI?
Sure...now back to the subject at hand.
 
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Mr. Invisible said:
You have yet to provide hard evidence that President Obama is a Marxist.
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Why do you think hard evidence is necessary? What would you consider hard evidence? Supporters of the Marxist president are unlikely to find any evidence convincing. Yet, what would a Marxist do to the US that this one term president has not done or said he intends to do?
 
Kandahar said:
I can't speak for anyone else, but I certainly had. Joseph Kony has been one of Africa's most notorious murderers for years. Just because YOU were ignorant about the issue doesn't mean that everyone else was.
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Sure.

Kandahar said:
It doesn't have anything to do with Obama. It has to do with being able to stop a disgusting band of butchers from wreaking havoc on innocent people, at very little cost.
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Why stop with this bunch of small-time thugs? Why not use US special forces and predator strikes in other places where the US has no national interest?
 
Kandahar said:
Umm, you mean the FBI?
Sure...now back to the subject at hand.
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No. If special ops are the right answer to go after one band of tribal thugs then why not all bands of tribal thugs. Are there not gangs any longer in south central LA?
 
Misterveritis said:
Sure.
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A quick search for "Lord's Resistance Army" brings up 42 threads on this forum. Don't assume that everyone else is just as ignorant of the rest of the world as you are.

Why stop with this bunch of small-time thugs?
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The LRA is a small group, but they're hardly "small-time thugs." They have displaced millions of people, killed thousands, and mutilated, raped, and kidnapped thousands of people throughout Uganda, South Sudan, and the DRC.

Why not use US special forces and predator strikes in other places where the US has no national interest?
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Depending on when and where, I might support such action in other places as well.

No. If special ops are the right answer to go after one band of tribal thugs then why not all bands of tribal thugs. Are there not gangs any longer in south central LA?
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Umm because it's a lot easier and safer to simply arrest people in LA, than to track them with Predator drones? :roll:
 
Misterveritis said:
Why do you think hard evidence is necessary? What would you consider hard evidence? Supporters of the Marxist president are unlikely to find any evidence convincing. Yet, what would a Marxist do to the US that this one term president has not done or said he intends to do?
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You could start with the evidence that led you to the conclusion you reached.
But in reality, you should start with what you think a Marxist is.

Ime, the people who think he's a socialist are using an overly broad definition of socialist that has been created since Obama was elected.
From what I can tell, calling him a socialist or a marxist carries about the same weight as saying comparing him to Hitler--it's empty, hyperbolic rhetoric created as an emotional argument.

But, feel free to start a thread with your definition of what does and does not constitute Marxism and then list the data you have that shows how Obama fits your definition.
 
"President Obama is sending about 100 U.S. troops to central Africa to help local forces battle the Lord's Resistance Army, a rebel group that the administration says has waged a campaign of murder, rape and kidnapping for more than two decades."

I'm okay with this sort of operation, provided we don't stay if it devolves into full-blown war. U.S. Special Forces do this kinds of operations on a pretty regular basis. It's different than sending an invasion force, for example, but it's not that far away. So we have to be careful not to let it cross that line.
 
Kandahar said:
A quick search for "Lord's Resistance Army" brings up 42 threads on this forum. Don't assume that everyone else is just as ignorant of the rest of the world as you are.
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I do not dispute that stories began to crop up like weeds after a rainstorm. Please point to me your concern six months ago. Four months ago. Three months ago...Uh-huh. I believe you just love jumping on the Marxist's bandwagon.

Kandahar said:
The LRA is a small group, but they're hardly "small-time thugs." They have displaced millions of people, killed thousands, and mutilated, raped, and kidnapped thousands of people throughout Uganda, South Sudan, and the DRC.
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Sure they did. And there were not other parties except them? Awesome.


Kandahar said:
Umm because it's a lot easier and safer to simply arrest people in LA, than to track them with Predator drones? :roll:
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If so, why hasn't it been done?
 
Jetboogieman said:
Joseph Kony is one of the worst human rights villains on this planet today, his attrocities are among the worst ever committed by mankind.
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By what measures?
Is this based on the numbers his group has killed? If so how many?
Is this based on the number of women his group has raped? If so, how many?
Is this based on the number of people his group has tortured? If so, how many?

How do these numbers compare to the very many other murders, rapes and tortures committed by other tyrants in other times and places?
 
Simon W. Moon said:
You could start with the evidence that led you to the conclusion you reached.
But in reality, you should start with what you think a Marxist is.
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If you were serious I might consider it. But you are not.

Simon W. Moon said:
Ime, the people who think he's a socialist are using an overly broad definition of socialist that has been created since Obama was elected. From what I can tell, calling him a socialist or a marxist carries about the same weight as saying comparing him to Hitler--it's empty, hyperbolic rhetoric created as an emotional argument.
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Except, of course, it isn't.

Simon W. Moon said:
But, feel free to start a thread with your definition of what does and does not constitute Marxism and then list the data you have that shows how Obama fits your definition.
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No evidence I have presented or would ever present would convince you. Perhaps you are a True Believer.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
I cannot imagine that they have not arrested anyone in LA.
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Does the problem still exist? Is it better than a decade ago or worse? Should we use the same arguments the one term Marxist president Obama used to send special operators to Africa to determine whether or not to send them to California?
 
A.Pearce said:
"President Obama is sending about 100 U.S. troops to central Africa to help local forces battle the Lord's Resistance Army, a rebel group that the administration says has waged a campaign of murder, rape and kidnapping for more than two decades."

I'm okay with this sort of operation, provided we don't stay if it devolves into full-blown war. U.S. Special Forces do this kinds of operations on a pretty regular basis. It's different than sending an invasion force, for example, but it's not that far away. So we have to be careful not to let it cross that line.
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Why are you okay with sending valuable American troops into a place we have no national interests? If we do have national interests there what are they? Would you go if it is all that important?
 
Misterveritis said:
Does the problem still exist? Is it better than a decade ago or worse? Should we use the same arguments the one term Marxist president Obama used to send special operators to Africa to determine whether or not to send them to California?
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And you think that Southern California and Central Africa are environments similar enough and have problems that similar enough to one another that they should have identical solutions? Do you honestly think that? Or are you just posturing to make a point?
 
Jetboogieman said:
Go back to school (or go to school in the first place) and actually learn what that word means.

Because it doesn't mean what you think it does.
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Of course it does. And what does going to school have to do with it? Do you plan to tell me that your masters degree is better than mine? Awesome. Or will you tell me that your twenty years of work in the intelligence field where the opposing force couched everything in terms of Marxism-Leninism is superior to my work in the intelligence field?

Why is it that some of you are so narrow in your outlook that if something does not exactly fit the mold you cannot see it. Perhaps your education was partial. Not mine.
 
Misterveritis said:
I do not dispute that stories began to crop up like weeds after a rainstorm. Please point to me your concern six months ago. Four months ago. Three months ago...Uh-huh. I believe you just love jumping on the Marxist's bandwagon.
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Here I am drawing attention to the LRA back in February:
Kandahar said:
No, there are terrorist groups in non-Muslim countries that have the same problems with poverty and a weak state. Uganda has the Lord's Resistance Army, Sri Lanka had the Tamil Tigers until recently, etc. Depending on your definition of what a "terrorist" is, we can expand it out further. Haiti has gangs of thugs that roam the streets, etc.
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Here I am saying roughly the same thing about two years ago:
Kandahar said:
Poor non-Islamic states with weak governments generally don't produce terrorism of the global variety, but they most certainly produce their share of crime and domestic terrorism. Think about the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka, FARC in Colombia, the Lord's Resistance Army in Uganda, etc.
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I am sorry that you didn't know who the LRA was until last week because you never bothered to find out. I'm not here to do your homework for you; there are 42 threads on this forum where someone mentions the LRA by name (40 of which preceded this story about Obama sending troops), and another 8 mentioning Joseph Kony by name (6 of which preceded this story). Run the search yourself if you don't believe me. And I suggest you learn more about the LRA, and don't assume that everyone else is just as ignorant simply because YOU hadn't heard of them prior to this week.

Sure they did. And there were not other parties except them? Awesome.
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The LRA is not the only group like this in lawless parts of Central Africa, but they are by far the most prolific and brutal.

If so, why hasn't it been done?
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I don't know. This thread isn't about gangs in LA, and frankly I don't give a ****. This thread is about the Lord's Resistance Army in Uganda.
 
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