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    Re: Obama Sends U.S. Troops to Central Africa to Aid Campaign Against Rebel Group

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Do you have some links showing the military presence of China in East Africa I would definately like to read them
    the stuff is out there, I hope you'll understand if I feel unwilling to start spouting off specifics without citing them from the web.

    China's economic invasion of Africa: A million Chinese people, from engineers to chefs, have moved to work in Africa in the past decade

    The Chinese Government is trying to lock down East African oil for it's burgeoning domestic market, and has been moving in to take their farmland and produce as well. When Libya went down they were able to performa long-range NEO (basically, withdrawal of your citizens from another nation) of a nation in which they had no less than 30,000 people. Coming strictly on the unclass side we found their demonstration of that capability very interesting.

    As for Russia, it has lost the ability to truely project power beyond its immediate boarder and even then it has difficulties. The Georgian and Chechnya conflicts show that very well. It would be able to attack and beat countries of Georgian size, and maintain control over them, but ones like Azerbijian(sp) or eastern european countrieds ( excluding Estonia, Lithuania(sp) and Latvia) it would not be able to, No new weapon systems have been developÍd and deployed from the end of the USSR, any new systems are seeing a large amount of problems.
    yes but quantity has a quality all it's own; and the comparative quality of its' neighbor states is no better. Certainly Russia couldnt' go up against the Chinese, but I think it's limits in East Europe would be mostly whatever support the West would be willing to lend.

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    Re: Obama Sends U.S. Troops to Central Africa to Aid Campaign Against Rebel Group

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Do you have some links showing the military presence of China in East Africa I would definately like to read them

    As for Russia, it has lost the ability to truely project power beyond its immediate boarder and even then it has difficulties. The Georgian and Chechnya conflicts show that very well. It would be able to attack and beat countries of Georgian size, and maintain control over them, but ones like Azerbijian(sp) or eastern european countrieds ( excluding Estonia, Lithuania(sp) and Latvia) it would not be able to, No new weapon systems have been developÍd and deployed from the end of the USSR, any new systems are seeing a large amount of problems.
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    Re: Obama Sends U.S. Troops to Central Africa to Aid Campaign Against Rebel Group

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    the stuff is out there, I hope you'll understand if I feel unwilling to start spouting off specifics without citing them from the web.

    China's economic invasion of Africa: A million Chinese people, from engineers to chefs, have moved to work in Africa in the past decade

    The Chinese Government is trying to lock down East African oil for it's burgeoning domestic market, and has been moving in to take their farmland and produce as well. When Libya went down they were able to performa long-range NEO (basically, withdrawal of your citizens from another nation) of a nation in which they had no less than 30,000 people. Coming strictly on the unclass side we found their demonstration of that capability very interesting.



    yes but quantity has a quality all it's own; and the comparative quality of its' neighbor states is no better. Certainly Russia couldnt' go up against the Chinese, but I think it's limits in East Europe would be mostly whatever support the West would be willing to lend.
    The link provided shows China's economic presence in Africa not military


    As for Russia, it took if I recall correcty about a third of its ground forces to take on Georgia, and it lost a significant number of jets in doing so. When going into Grozny it suffered massive loss's leading to the decision to shell the city to bits. Its planes are old, its navy is rusting, and its ground forces are poorly trained and poorly motivated
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    No offense but those are some of the most idiotic articles I have seen in a long time

    The first shows the number of Chinese workers presently in Africa claiming that they have been in the Chinese military (it has a draft) makes them part of the Chinese military today

    The second is showing Chinese military equipment which was sold to various countries not actual Chinese soldiers and military

    The last makes a claim in its title and fails to back it up. What proof of 700 000 Chinese troops did it have were in Sudan at the time? The Chinese army is less then 3million, it would not place 25 % in Sudan
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    Re: Obama Sends U.S. Troops to Central Africa to Aid Campaign Against Rebel Group

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Because we have the ability to do a lot of good at very little cost.
    Is that our new liberal foreign policy? We will only go to places where we have no national interests and we can tell the American people that it won't cost very much?

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    The costs of intervening in Syria are far higher than in Uganda (i.e. we'd be fighting against an established government instead of a criminal gang), and the benefits are far less certain (i.e. everyone hates the LRA and the world would unarguably be better off without them, whereas it isn't clear who/what would replace the Assad regime in Syria).
    So under the one term Marxist president Obama our foreign policy will be to only do something if it can be done at little cost?
    Should we destroy the mullahs and the Iranian Revolutionary Guard in Iran over their act of war? It would only cost a half dozen round trips from two squadrons of B2s? And there we do have a national interest.

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    Re: Obama Sends U.S. Troops to Central Africa to Aid Campaign Against Rebel Group

    I'm really impartial to the African situation. While I think we should do something to help them, I don't know what we can do to help them. It seems they are doomed to the bad life.

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    Re: Obama Sends U.S. Troops to Central Africa to Aid Campaign Against Rebel Group

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Is that our new liberal foreign policy? We will only go to places where we have no national interests and we can tell the American people that it won't cost very much?
    As I already stated, I'm not opposed to intervening in places where we have national interests at stake. But there should still be a cost/benefit analysis, regardless of why we're intervening. It doesn't make any sense to intervene in places where the risk is disproportionately higher than the reward.

    So under the one term Marxist president Obama our foreign policy will be to only do something if it can be done at little cost?
    Not necessarily at little cost (although that would certainly be a step in the right direction). But the costs should not exceed the benefits.

    Should we destroy the mullahs and the Iranian Revolutionary Guard in Iran over their act of war? It would only cost a half dozen round trips from two squadrons of B2s? And there we do have a national interest.
    Umm no, that is a classic case of the costs GROSSLY outweighing the benefits. If you think we could "destroy the mullahs" with a few air strikes (and that it would unquestionably be a benefit to the world) you are dreaming. You don't go to war with well-established governments of large countries for uncertain benefits and dubious reasons. Iran is a situation that begs for caution. Fighting the LRA has few of the costs and few of the consequences, and would unarguably be beneficial for the world.
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    Obama will bring back the draft to feed his wars.
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    Re: Obama Sends U.S. Troops to Central Africa to Aid Campaign Against Rebel Group

    Quote Originally Posted by rhinefire View Post
    Obama will bring back the draft to feed his wars.
    cool story bro.
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