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    Re: Obama Sends U.S. Troops to Central Africa to Aid Campaign Against Rebel Group

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    Re: Obama Sends U.S. Troops to Central Africa to Aid Campaign Against Rebel Group

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Yes. I explained that every military commitment should require a cost/benefit analysis, and explained why I believe that this is a wise use of our military forces.
    Is there any limit to how our military and our treasure should be expended, in your view? What are the costs and more importantly, what are the benefits that accrue to the US as we begin this mission?
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    I really don't care what you think about Obama. It isn't relevant to whether or not it is a worthy goal to rid Central Africa of the Lord's Resistance Army.
    Tyranny is okay with you as long as he is "your' tyrant? I think I understand you now.

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    Re: Obama Sends U.S. Troops to Central Africa to Aid Campaign Against Rebel Group

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    You're still dragging that crap around? Really?!?
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    Re: Obama Sends U.S. Troops to Central Africa to Aid Campaign Against Rebel Group

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    To whom are you referring when you say "our" interest? The US government has no national interest at stake, if that's what you're asking. But it's in "our" interest ("our" referring to humanity) to end the brutality of one of Africa's bloodiest killers, when it will cost virtually nothing to do so.
    You have answered the question. There is no US national interest.

    So why are we there?
    If we go there why not Syria? Now there is real murder and brutality there. Isn't there? And there, at least, we have some interest.

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    Re: Obama Sends U.S. Troops to Central Africa to Aid Campaign Against Rebel Group

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Sorry, but the Chinese do not have that kind of power projection capability, yet. France, Britain and Russia all have greater power projection capacity than China, and all pale in comparison to the U.S. I do agree with the second point in this paragraph... wholeheartedly...
    I would urge you to take a look at the Chinese Presence that is already in East Africa. you may be surprised. In addition, I would urge you to take a look at how quickly the French and British militaries had to depend on US Support in the anti-Khaddaffi operation. Their ability to project and sustain power without the US has become effectively nil. As for Russia... she can, but I think still only in her Near Abroad; but I am open to being convinced otherwise.

    All too likely. The UN is a useless talking shop so long as Moscow and Beijing have veto power.
    truth. why some wish to pretend that it is more than it is, I cannot fathom.

    Nicely said...
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    Re: Obama Sends U.S. Troops to Central Africa to Aid Campaign Against Rebel Group

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    You have answered the question. There is no US national interest.

    So why are we there?
    If we go there why not Syria? Now there is real murder and brutality there. Isn't there? And there, at least, we have some interest.
    we don't have "some" interest - we have a LOT of interest. It is insane that we are not bombing the daylights out of that regime.

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    Re: Obama Sends U.S. Troops to Central Africa to Aid Campaign Against Rebel Group

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    You have answered the question. There is no US national interest.

    So why are we there?
    Because we have the ability to do a lot of good at very little cost.

    If we go there why not Syria? Now there is real murder and brutality there. Isn't there? And there, at least, we have some interest.
    The costs of intervening in Syria are far higher than in Uganda (i.e. we'd be fighting against an established government instead of a criminal gang), and the benefits are far less certain (i.e. everyone hates the LRA and the world would unarguably be better off without them, whereas it isn't clear who/what would replace the Assad regime in Syria).
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    The answer to the last question is: someone who is probably less connected to Iran.

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    Re: Obama Sends U.S. Troops to Central Africa to Aid Campaign Against Rebel Group

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I would urge you to take a look at the Chinese Presence that is already in East Africa. you may be surprised. In addition, I would urge you to take a look at how quickly the French and British militaries had to depend on US Support in the anti-Khaddaffi operation. Their ability to project and sustain power without the US has become effectively nil. As for Russia... she can, but I think still only in her Near Abroad; but I am open to being convinced otherwise.

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    Do you have some links showing the military presence of China in East Africa I would definately like to read them

    As for Russia, it has lost the ability to truely project power beyond its immediate boarder and even then it has difficulties. The Georgian and Chechnya conflicts show that very well. It would be able to attack and beat countries of Georgian size, and maintain control over them, but ones like Azerbijian(sp) or eastern european countrieds ( excluding Estonia, Lithuania(sp) and Latvia) it would not be able to, No new weapon systems have been developÍd and deployed from the end of the USSR, any new systems are seeing a large amount of problems.

    truth. why some wish to pretend that it is more than it is, I cannot fathom.



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    Re: Obama Sends U.S. Troops to Central Africa to Aid Campaign Against Rebel Group

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Why do you think hard evidence is necessary? What would you consider hard evidence? Supporters of the Marxist president are unlikely to find any evidence convincing. Yet, what would a Marxist do to the US that this one term president has not done or said he intends to do?
    So basically you have no evidence?
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