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    Re: Topline Results of Oct. 9-10, 2011, TIME Poll (Occupy wall street polling well)

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    No problem. Clearly (I thought) I was using some absurdity to demonstrate my point. When you look to the questions about the Tea Party, they contained no similar laudatory characterizations, for instance "an organization against wasteful government spending ......", which would generate very favorable responses. The poll included descriptions that were most favorable, and left out others less favorable, for the OWS folks.
    The reason for this, I think, is that the poll contained some introductory information about the OWS folks, the main reason being, that if you look at the poll, there are still not common knowledge to a lot of folks while at this point, everyone has heard of the tea party.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    As a voter, I am very content with the OWS folks. I see them as an anchor around the liberal neck. I am content too in that we have already had an election, November 2010, where all these issues were before the American people already. And the liberal view was overwhelmingly trounced. The issues have not changed since Nov 2010, despite the best efforts of Democrat leaders to foment such.

    The problem that I have is the heirarchy of a Party, starting with Obama and Pelosi, fomenting this type of American against American rhetoric, to the point of physical "occupation", and eventually, confrontation. We have Biden saying that there will be more rapes and murders if JOBS is not passed. Come Nov 2012 we will have just about everything blamed on Republicans and JOBS not being passed !! But we are hearing more violent rhetoric in those streets now, and seeing more physical clashes. A pox on Obama, Biden, and Pelosi as far as I am concerned. They are scum.
    This is possible, but as of right now, I see every indication telling me that the ~50% of the country in the middle doesn't see things on these terms, they tend to ask "what will work for my situation right now out of these options being presented to me" and they ask that same question over and over, in spite of past wins or losses by whichever ideology. They are not like people on this forum at all.

    Also, never bank on non-presidential year election results. The dems trounced the republicans a few years back and the republicans just trounced the dems recently. This is because non-presidential year elections are typically base elections not general voter ones.
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    Re: Topline Results of Oct. 9-10, 2011, TIME Poll (Occupy wall street polling well)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Then more trash comes in... The Who said it best: "Meet the new boss... same as the old boss".
    Just as the Tea Party got hijacked by the GOP, OWS will eventually be hijacked by the Democrats.
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    Re: Topline Results of Oct. 9-10, 2011, TIME Poll (Occupy wall street polling well)

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Just as the Tea Party got hijacked by the GOP, OWS will eventually be hijacked by the Democrats.
    I'm not so sure about that.

    When Rep. John Lewis showed up last week to address the crowd at the Occupy Atlanta site, protesters praised the Georgia Democrat for his work in politics and civil rights but successfully argued that he shouldn't be allowed to bump the group's "agenda" in order to speak right away.
    Lewis, who had other obligations, decided to leave, though he said he took no offense. Recalling his own days as head of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee in the 1960s, he said civil rights groups sometimes reached consensus slowly and refused to be deferential to more established leaders.


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    Re: Topline Results of Oct. 9-10, 2011, TIME Poll (Occupy wall street polling well)

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    The reason for this, I think, is that the poll contained some introductory information about the OWS folks, the main reason being, that if you look at the poll, there are still not common knowledge to a lot of folks while at this point, everyone has heard of the tea party.

    This is possible, but as of right now, I see every indication telling me that the ~50% of the country in the middle doesn't see things on these terms, they tend to ask "what will work for my situation right now out of these options being presented to me" and they ask that same question over and over, in spite of past wins or losses by whichever ideology. They are not like people on this forum at all.

    Also, never bank on non-presidential year election results. The dems trounced the republicans a few years back and the republicans just trounced the dems recently. This is because non-presidential year elections are typically base elections not general voter ones.
    I can't share your conclusions above. Were the mid-terms just ho-hum, your basic 20-30 seat out-party gain, then conclusions would be ho-hum. Instead, we had a monumental rejection of Obama. Historic proportions. And what has changed since last November ? Has policy improved and things turned around ? A: NO

    Folks are still rejecting Obama. He is lower in the polls now than he was last year. The "what will work", or better put "what I do not want" is the same now as it was last year.

    So we look to what is happening with regard to Obama's reelection plugs. Is Obama doing a better job of "blaming" Republicans ? Is he fooling folks better now then before ? That is the plan, and it looks like a 5-spiral crash so far

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    Re: Topline Results of Oct. 9-10, 2011, TIME Poll (Occupy wall street polling well)

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    I can't share your conclusions above. Were the mid-terms just ho-hum, your basic 20-30 seat out-party gain, then conclusions would be ho-hum. Instead, we had a monumental rejection of Obama. Historic proportions. And what has changed since last November ? Has policy improved and things turned around ? A: NO

    Folks are still rejecting Obama. He is lower in the polls now than he was last year. The "what will work", or better put "what I do not want" is the same now as it was last year.

    So we look to what is happening with regard to Obama's reelection plugs. Is Obama doing a better job of "blaming" Republicans ? Is he fooling folks better now then before ? That is the plan, and it looks like a 5-spiral crash so far
    Which was due to a highly motivated base and more democratic seats being up for grabs.

    Second, the primary thing on a typical voter's mind these days is the economy and jobs. In those two concerns, there is no overwhelming favor of one party over another. Voters are not going to vote on 2010 issues, they are going to vote on 2012 issues.
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    Re: Topline Results of Oct. 9-10, 2011, TIME Poll (Occupy wall street polling well)

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Just as the Tea Party got hijacked by the GOP, OWS will eventually be hijacked by the Democrats.
    I can't speak for the Tea Party, but my local group hasn't gotten hijacked. If there was Koch money, we sure as hell didn't get any of that either.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Topline Results of Oct. 9-10, 2011, TIME Poll (Occupy wall street polling well)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I can't speak for the Tea Party, but my local group hasn't gotten hijacked. If there was Koch money, we sure as hell didn't get any of that either.
    Had you and a couple of the guys put together a sham solar energy company while watching a Sunday football game on the tele, you'd be rolling in Obama bucks right now

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