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    Re: Occupy Wall Street protesters refuse to leave for park cleaning

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Unless it is a nuisance to the rights of others to use the space.
    There are infringements of rights, which can bring about intervention. But in terms of general "nuisance", I don't agree with the line of argument. Particularly where assembly, protest, and dissent are concerned. These are some of the biggest rights (along with to keep and bear arms) that MUST be upheld to their maximum. It is necessary for the preservation of the Republic.
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    Re: Occupy Wall Street protesters refuse to leave for park cleaning

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    the corporate owners of the park have EVERY right to limit the speech & habitation in the park.

    its their park. its called property rights.
    It's not theirs. They lent it to the government as public space, it's thus public space. They are in charge of upkeep on the property. That was apparently the deal in order for them to expand another building. They yielded use of it to the public through contract.
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    Re: Occupy Wall Street protesters refuse to leave for park cleaning

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Rights do not override nuisance, you may not abuse your own rights to the point that you violate the rights of others, that has been held at the local, state, and federal level. For instance if I were to tell you to be silent you are under no compulsion to comply thus I have not violated your rights but rather have been a litte curt. If I pull a gun on you and insist on the same result then you probably will feel compelled to comply and at that point I have in fact overridden my right to bear arms and violated your right to free speech. Here's the point in that, if they have created a nuisance then they have overextended on their right to assembly and if they have overextended their welcome at the park then they likewise no longer have the right to free speech in that area.
    I find extreme danger in your logic towards our ability to keep this Republic.
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    Re: Occupy Wall Street protesters refuse to leave for park cleaning

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    There are infringements of rights, which can bring about intervention. But in terms of general "nuisance", I don't agree with the line of argument. Particularly where assembly, protest, and dissent are concerned. These are some of the biggest rights (along with to keep and bear arms) that MUST be upheld to their maximum. It is necessary for the preservation of the Republic.
    We aren't speaking of general nuisance however, these protesters are keeping the cleanup crews from performing their duty of maintaining the space, as well there is apparantly littering which is a crime and remaining after forbidden, these are minor criminal acts but they are far past being just a general nuisance.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Occupy Wall Street protesters refuse to leave for park cleaning

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I find extreme danger in your logic towards our ability to keep this Republic.
    It isn't my logic, it is the law.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Occupy Wall Street protesters refuse to leave for park cleaning

    We aren't speaking of general nuisance however, these protesters are keeping the cleanup crews from performing their duty of maintaining the space, as well there is apparantly littering which is a crime and remaining after forbidden, these are minor criminal acts but they are far past being just a general nuisance.
    ZOMG who cares
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    Re: Occupy Wall Street protesters refuse to leave for park cleaning

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    We aren't speaking of general nuisance however, these protesters are keeping the cleanup crews from performing their duty of maintaining the space, as well there is apparantly littering which is a crime and remaining after forbidden, these are minor criminal acts but they are far past being just a general nuisance.
    I do not see how those minor criminal acts excuse on the whole the oppression and suppression of assembly and protest.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Occupy Wall Street protesters refuse to leave for park cleaning

    It is very simple to understand. The flea baggers can shout, scream, say, print what ever they want and no one will stop them. They just have to leave the park. The right of free speech does not convey the right to make someone listen to it.

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    Re: Occupy Wall Street protesters refuse to leave for park cleaning

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Come on; the CRA did not force banks to lend to anyone.
    The Clinton justice department interpreted provisions of the CRA and selectively applied it to threats of force.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Occupy Wall Street protesters refuse to leave for park cleaning

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    It isn't my logic, it is the law.
    I also find that logic to be very dangerous. The law in and of itself is not good enough excuse to infringe upon the rights of others. It should always be brought back to the rights of the individual, not appeal to authority.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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