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    Re: Occupy Wall Street protesters refuse to leave for park cleaning

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    It's public property, and as such, is beholden to the whims of the people that pay for it. So, who pays for it?
    no, its private property.

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    Re: Occupy Wall Street protesters refuse to leave for park cleaning

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    no, its private property.
    Well it is private that by law has to have public access 24/7/365

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    Re: Occupy Wall Street protesters refuse to leave for park cleaning

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Well it is private that by law has to have public access 24/7/365
    by law?

    please cite this "law".

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    Re: Occupy Wall Street protesters refuse to leave for park cleaning

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Well it is private that by law has to have public access 24/7/365
    True. But it's more than that...As usual, follow the money:

    ...Zuccotti Park is a privately owned plaza, part of the enormous portfolio of land in New York owned by Brookfield Properties, which has been allocated for public use twenty four hours a day. This is not through the blind benevolence of the owners Brookfield Properties. Rather, they were required by planning regulations to give something back to the city in order to gain the permissions to make certain developments.

    [Pay attention here...]

    Mayor Mike Bloomberg, is a divorced man, who has had a long term relationship with a woman who has become for many the First Lady of New York. Diana Taylornow sits on the Board of Brookfield Properties. This must place old Mike in a terrific bind! Surely, you might think, if he allows Brookfield free rein to turf the smelly oiks off the lawn he is open to cries of conflicts of interest.

    And Brookfield is stuck in a position of having to maintain good relationships with the people of New York whatever they might wish to do to the protesters. They own 6.2 million square feet of Midtown and 12.8 million square foot of lower Manhattan. They have just too much riding on it to piss off New Yorkers.

    But if you think this is thin stuff, perhaps I can just throw a couple of other straws into the air. Brookfield Asset Management has had Joe Biden work for it as a lobbyist. And following Solyndra, the Obama administration has only just approved a $168.9 million loan guarantee for Brookfield’s foray into renewable power with Granite Reliable Wind Farm, an enterprise owned by Brookfield Asset Management.
    It's hopeless.

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    Re: Occupy Wall Street protesters refuse to leave for park cleaning

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    by law?

    please cite this "law".
    Best I can do right now:

    New York City Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said on September 28, 2011, that the NYPD could not bar protesters from Zuccotti Park since it is a public plaza that is required to stay open 24 hours a day. "In building this plaza, there was an agreement it be open 24 hours a day," Kelly said. "The owners have put out regulations [about what's allowed in park]. The owners will have to come in and direct people not to do certain things." A spokesperson for Brookfield Properties, the owner of the park, expressed concern: "Zuccotti Park is intended for the use and enjoyment of the general public for passive recreation. We are extremely concerned with the conditions that have been created by those currently occupying the park and are actively working with the City of New York to address these conditions and restore the park to its intended purpose."

    Creation and early background

    The park, formerly called Liberty Plaza Park, was created in 1968 by United States Steel in return for a height bonus for its adjacent headquarters at the time of its construction. That building is now known as One Liberty Plaza.[3][4]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuccotti_Park




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    Re: Occupy Wall Street protesters refuse to leave for park cleaning

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Best I can do right now:...
    its a privately-owned park. meaning the property owners set the rules.

    yes, there was an agreemant that it be open to the public, but there is no "law" governing the park.

    if the owners wish to make it open only to hot-dog venders, that is their right as private-property owners.

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    Re: Occupy Wall Street protesters refuse to leave for park cleaning

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    its a privately-owned park. meaning the property owners set the rules.

    yes, there was an agreemant that it be open to the public, but there is no "law" governing the park.

    if the owners wish to make it open only to hot-dog venders, that is their right as private-property owners.
    They are bound by contract via the courts the law to keep it open to the public.

    if the owners wish to make it open only to hot-dog venders, that is their right as private-property owners
    No they can not do that.

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    Re: Occupy Wall Street protesters refuse to leave for park cleaning

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    They are bound by contract via the courts the law to keep it open to the public.

    No they can not do that.
    please cite this law.

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    Re: Occupy Wall Street protesters refuse to leave for park cleaning

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    please cite this law.
    It is the legally enforceable agreement made by US Steel and the City of New York.

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    Re: Occupy Wall Street protesters refuse to leave for park cleaning

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    It is the legally enforceable agreement made by US Steel and the City of New York.
    cite it.


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