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    Re: Occupy Wall Street protesters refuse to leave for park cleaning

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    no they didn't. cra never forced a bank to make a bad loan. have you seen the regulations of are you just repeating what you've heard?
    The DoJ did sue banks, and did force them to make higher-risk "sub prime" loans that they had refused to make prior. The DoJ used the CRA and what they alleged were "discriminatory" lending practices in order to compel the settlement that required these higher risk loans be made.

    Google Andrew Cuomo. HUD. 1997. See the YouTube videos.

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    Re: Occupy Wall Street protesters refuse to leave for park cleaning

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Had the British been able to catch the "violators", and I assume you mean those that signed the Declaration of Independence, then I will leave you with those immortal words of Benjamin Franklin:



    Let me explain. If you expect to willfully break the law, and get away with it, then you should be prepared to overthrow your government, and those who support it.
    Or be publicly arrested, as is SOP for peaceful protests.

    Is the government willing to accept the negative PR that will result from widespread distribution of arrest images that media will surely select to sell papers and commercials?

    Peaceful non-violent protest 101 stuff. Goes back years.
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    Re: Occupy Wall Street protesters refuse to leave for park cleaning

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Free speech has already been addressed in the 1900's by many legal scholars and it's limits are set. Once you are asked to leave an area by an authority you no longer have free speech in that area, the people trying to maintain the park are the authority and the protesters were asked to leave. Now, I am all for speech I don't agree with, I will just issue my own speech when the counter is warranted, these people overstayed their welcome and that is the real issue, they are a nuisance and thus they must move their free speech to a new venue, it's not that they can't spout off their idiocy elsewhere, they just can't do it at that location. These people are whining about an inconvenience at best.
    Not really. Their major concern, which is a real concern, is the entanglement of government and corporate interest. In essence, they're fighting against the corporate capitalist model we now find ourselves under. In that regard, I do agree (though I would probably not agree with their terms to correct it). I also think that people are all too willing to dismiss their point and try to pass it off as whining or something. But rather I see it as people paying attention and having the desire to keep the Republic which we are losing. And corporate capitalism is just one of the symptoms of losing the Republic.

    While there are limits to set, particularly when free speech can infringe on such innate and inalienable rights as life; I do not think the limits are unlimited. Given the importance of assembly and protest, I would move to promote and protect those as one of the most important of our innate and inalienable rights. Dissent against the government M

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Then we'll just have to disagree as I see free speech as things that don't inflict direct harm, the owners are being harmed thus they have a right to end the harm.
    As I understand it, the ceded that part in contract with the government. Opting to turn the land into public land, and thus it is proper to use for assembly and protest. Furthermore, the protesters had even cleaned up, which I think is one thing which spurred the reversal. In the end, I think using petty laws like this in a way to infringe upon dissent, assembly, and protest is well more dangerous than having to clean up a park after protest.
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    Re: Occupy Wall Street protesters refuse to leave for park cleaning

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    And my point is that there are lots of laws that place resonable limits on free speech/assembly.

    And the founders broke a grip of British laws.

    The Underground railroad broke a grip of slave ownership/recovery laws.

    Ghandi broke a grip of laws.

    Civil rights protesters broke a grip of laws.

    None of them got the laws repealed FIRST.

    They broke them to GET them changed.
    Ummmmmm .... and many broke laws, and were prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law

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    Re: Occupy Wall Street protesters refuse to leave for park cleaning

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    The DoJ did sue banks, and did force them to make higher-risk "sub prime" loans that they had refused to make prior. The DoJ used the CRA and what they alleged were "discriminatory" lending practices in order to compel the settlement that required these higher risk loans be made.

    Google Andrew Cuomo. HUD. 1997. See the YouTube videos.
    The majority of all bad loans originated outside of CRA authority. This is a fact.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Occupy Wall Street protesters refuse to leave for park cleaning

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Ummmmmm .... and many broke laws, and were prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law
    Yes.

    They made sacrifices for something they believed in.

    Ultimately, their violation of the law led to bad laws being changed.

    Like Jefferson said.
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    Re: Occupy Wall Street protesters refuse to leave for park cleaning

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Or be publicly arrested, as is SOP for peaceful protests.

    Is the government willing to accept the negative PR that will result from widespread distribution of arrest images that media will surely select to sell papers and commercials?

    Peaceful non-violent protest 101 stuff. Goes back years.
    At least as we have seen in the last two days, New York is not yet ready to create that scene. However, there have been flare-ups in both NY and Denver in the last 24 hours where arrests have been made.

    As you know, there are points at which law-breaking will be dealt with more harshly, to include arrests. You can bet your bippy that you will see more and more of the OWS'ers finding out where those points are.

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    Re: Occupy Wall Street protesters refuse to leave for park cleaning

    Quote Originally Posted by mtlhdtodd View Post
    Which I see as a PR and legal cost move. It still doesn't make the free speech argument any less ridiculous.
    The protesters cleaned up. It's a good way to go about it as well, make sure that they limit the damage that is done. But it's foolish to believe that a protest of this scale will not cause some amount of cosmetic damage. I do not think that the damage by itself excuses force against our innate and inalienable rights; particularly where protest and dissent are concerned. These are HUGE rights, rights which must be upheld to their maximum. If we lose the ability to dissent and protest, we will lose whatever little control we have left. There are too many little, petty, superficial laws which are trying to be used to infringe upon protest. And I, for one, see that as exceedingly dangerous. Not even terrorists can affect our rights to this degree.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Occupy Wall Street protesters refuse to leave for park cleaning

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    The majority of all bad loans originated outside of CRA authority. This is a fact.
    Which is a moot point. OBTW, there is no such thing as "CRA authority". It was a policy which the government could use as a basis for prosecution if it chose to. It means nothing if Government does not choose to impose it on banks and lenders. The CRA served as one basis for the expansion of Fannie and Freddie in the 90's, which started the Housing Bubble.

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    Re: Occupy Wall Street protesters refuse to leave for park cleaning

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Which is a moot point. OBTW, there is no such thing as "CRA authority". It was a policy which the government could use as a basis for prosecution if it chose to. It means nothing if Government does not choose to impose it on banks and lenders. The CRA served as one basis for the expansion of Fannie and Freddie in the 90's, which started the Housing Bubble.
    It is a valid point because there are some who are trying to excuse the the risk management failure of the financial community and their inability to adequately price these securities.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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