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    Re: Occupy Wall Street protesters refuse to leave for park cleaning

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    No, I'm a constitutionalist, you have rights until you use them to interfere with others rights, that is where they end. Deflect much?
    Not at all.

    You were making the nonsense argument that a law should always be obeyed without question because its a law.

    If this is what you believe, you shouldnt honor the Constitution because it was written by a bunch of violators of British law.
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    Re: Occupy Wall Street protesters refuse to leave for park cleaning

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    But they are merely impacting the private entity's ability to maintain part of its agreement with the city, which probably doesn't give them the right to "evict" in the way that private property law would give them the same right.

    Again, it appears, legally, the only way to evict them is for the city to evict them for "camping". However, that even comes into question if any structure is taken down. Loitering laws explicitly state that loitering is only forbidden if loitering is for illegal purposes (i.e. drug deals, prostitution, etc.), thus they're loitering isn't strictly forbidden.
    I get that, I think though that a case can be made for any damages recieved due to not being able to maintain, but I do get where you are coming from.
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    Re: Occupy Wall Street protesters refuse to leave for park cleaning

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    The loans don't originate at the broker, the broker finds the lenders that are the closest fit to the client, the loan still originates at the lender which is under the CRA jurisdiction.
    so much bs. CRA never forced banks to make bad loans, and a huge part of the bank crisis was commercial RE loans, anyway. too many repeat that cra crap without knowing the facts. some banks looked the other way at inflated appraisals, and did indeed loosen THEIR credit requirements, bu NOT because cra forced them to. there was BIG money in securtizing and selling loans. jeez.

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Occupy Wall Street protesters refuse to leave for park cleaning

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Not at all.

    You were making the nonsense argument that a law should always be obeyed without question because its a law.

    If this is what you believe, you shouldnt honor the Constitution because it was written by a bunch of violators of British law.
    Thanks for telling me what I meant, I did not know that. Seriously, I am stating that whether you agree with a law or not you have to follow it until it is repealed, I have a right to private property but can lose something deemed as junk on my property if I don't maintain it. That is the law, not my opinion.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Occupy Wall Street protesters refuse to leave for park cleaning

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    so much bs. CRA never forced banks to make bad loans, and a huge part of the bank crisis was commercial RE loans, anyway. too many repeat that cra crap without knowing the facts. some banks looked the other way at inflated appraisals, and did indeed loosen THEIR credit requirements, bu NOT because cra forced them to. there was BIG money in securtizing and selling loans. jeez.
    The bad loans were extended to speculators and other areas, I never made a claim otherwise, but they originated from CRA and justice department investigations on behalf of certain areas, especially around D.C. that were known as a default risk.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Occupy Wall Street protesters refuse to leave for park cleaning

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    The loans don't originate at the broker, the broker finds the lenders that are the closest fit to the client, the loan still originates at the lender which is under the CRA jurisdiction.
    Are you saying that all subprime originated under CRA jurisdiction?
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    Re: Occupy Wall Street protesters refuse to leave for park cleaning

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    The bad loans were extended to speculators and other areas, I never made a claim otherwise, but they originated from CRA and justice department investigations on behalf of certain areas, especially around D.C. that were known as a default risk.
    no they didn't. cra never forced a bank to make a bad loan. have you seen the regulations of are you just repeating what you've heard?

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Occupy Wall Street protesters refuse to leave for park cleaning

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Not at all.

    You were making the nonsense argument that a law should always be obeyed without question because its a law.

    If this is what you believe, you shouldnt honor the Constitution because it was written by a bunch of violators of British law.
    Had the British been able to catch the "violators", and I assume you mean those that signed the Declaration of Independence, then I will leave you with those immortal words of Benjamin Franklin:

    We must, indeed, all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately.
    Let me explain. If you expect to willfully break the law, and get away with it, then you should be prepared to overthrow your government, and those who support it.

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    Re: Occupy Wall Street protesters refuse to leave for park cleaning

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Thanks for telling me what I meant, I did not know that. Seriously, I am stating that whether you agree with a law or not you have to follow it until it is repealed, I have a right to private property but can lose something deemed as junk on my property if I don't maintain it. That is the law, not my opinion.
    And my point is that there are lots of laws that place resonable limits on free speech/assembly.

    And the founders broke a grip of British laws.

    The Underground railroad broke a grip of slave ownership/recovery laws.

    Ghandi broke a grip of laws.

    Civil rights protesters broke a grip of laws.

    None of them got the laws repealed FIRST.

    They broke them to GET them changed.
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    Re: Occupy Wall Street protesters refuse to leave for park cleaning

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Apparently they don't as they are no longer looking to force them off the property.
    Which I see as a PR and legal cost move. It still doesn't make the free speech argument any less ridiculous.

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