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    Re: Occupy Wall Street protesters refuse to leave for park cleaning

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Nonsense; you cannot force a bank to lend.
    You can if you threaten them with endless investigations. Even if a bank or mortgage company has done nothing wrong the bills pile up to prove it.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Occupy Wall Street protesters refuse to leave for park cleaning

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's a well knwn fact.
    Great - then it should be really really easy for you to provide the verifiable evidence of it then.

    again - your statement

    The Libbos wanted everyone to own a house.
    And now the proof.......
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    Re: Occupy Wall Street protesters refuse to leave for park cleaning

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    You can if you threaten them with endless investigations. Even if a bank or mortgage company has done nothing wrong the bills pile up to prove it.
    that sort of wild speculation is not proof of anything.... . other than you are engaging in wild speculation.
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    Re: Occupy Wall Street protesters refuse to leave for park cleaning

    Quote Originally Posted by mtlhdtodd View Post
    It is not a limit on free speech and you know it. It is a limit on access to a parcel of PRIVATE property and that is it. If the flea baggers do not understand this maybe they are the ones with the problem.
    The San Diego occupation was at the Civic Center. They used exactly the same reasoning used in NY. Same day too, many cities.

    Right before the scheduled marches on Saturday.
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    Re: Occupy Wall Street protesters refuse to leave for park cleaning

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    You are comparing apples to Cadillacs. That point has no bearing on the conversation whatsoever, please address the point.
    Has EVERYTHING to do with it.

    Rights are not absolute.

    How does that not apply to the conversation?

    One of their primary issues is getting money out of politics.

    Which is dismissed as being an infringement of free speech.

    EVERY SINGLE law being "broken" by the protesters places a reasonable limit on free expression.

    If speech is absolutely sacrosanct, they should be able to express themselves however they see fit. Wherever they want. Even on public property.

    That's ridiculous. Everybody knows it is.

    There are MANY reasonable limits ALREADY in place that limit free speech and assembly.

    All of these limits establish precedent for limitations of free speech rights.

    Including campaign contributions.
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    Re: Occupy Wall Street protesters refuse to leave for park cleaning

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    You can if you threaten them with endless investigations. Even if a bank or mortgage company has done nothing wrong the bills pile up to prove it.
    Over half of all subprime loans originated from non-bank entities who fall outside that regulatory environment. 80% of all adjustable rate, subprime mortgages originated from non-bank mortgage brokers.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: Occupy Wall Street protesters refuse to leave for park cleaning

    Quote Originally Posted by mtlhdtodd View Post
    It is very simple to understand. The flea baggers can shout, scream, say, print what ever they want and no one will stop them. They just have to leave the park. The right of free speech does not convey the right to make someone listen to it.
    So reasonable limits on campaign money that result in my not being subjected to campaign ads I don't want to see would be ok with you.
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    Re: Occupy Wall Street protesters refuse to leave for park cleaning

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Great - then it should be really really easy for you to provide the verifiable evidence of it then.

    again - your statement



    And now the proof.......
    Here: Community Reinvestment Act Notice Pdf

    Let me summarize, the power of multiple organizations, including the Justice Department were allowed more lattitude in determining that "racist" practices that didn't happen did happen regardless of data otherwise and the threat of loss of accreditation as well as endless investigations were present. The banks did in fact start issuing sub-prime loans and once the derivatives became profitable the new industry was created on the bubble. So yes, it was in fact a major government failing.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Occupy Wall Street protesters refuse to leave for park cleaning

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Over half of all subprime loans originated from non-bank entities who fall outside that regulatory environment. 80% of all adjustable rate, subprime mortgages originated from non-bank mortgage brokers.
    Brokers still have to go through agencies that issue loans under the regulatory auhority, Brokers are client representatives not independent lenders.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Occupy Wall Street protesters refuse to leave for park cleaning

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Fine, when the judge tells you it's okay that you logically don't have to lose your property because the law wasn't something you agree with then we'll talk, the fact is whether you agree with it or not you are responsible to follow it.
    So you're a Tory, then.

    An opponent of those colonial criminals who commited treason against the king?
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