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    Re: US Congress votes through South Korea trade deal

    I've read the rave reviews of this trade agreement.

    We'll see if it delivers. I'll be surprised if it doesn't deliver the same results as previous free trade agreements, though.

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    Re: US Congress votes through South Korea trade deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Frolicking Dinosaurs View Post
    1Perry, the problem is not the cutting - everybody wants cuts, but we don't all agree about where the cuts need to be made.

    For me, cuts in farm aid is not a reason for celebration - failing to cut the most egregious groups suckling on the government teat (likely because they are also the biggest GOP contributors) while trying to cut Medicare, Social Security, education, healthcare and aid to the largest group producing American made products (farmers) is not what I support.
    If you're refering to "Big Oil" they contribute heavily to government, not the GOP exclusively. I'm so incredibly tired of this psuedo-partyline pandering nonsense. When you have an unsustainable program you fix the program. That may mean "cuts", but that doesn't have to mean "cut in benefits". Of course, it has become common practice on both sides of the aisle (and on both sides of the peanut gallery) to spew panic-laden nonsense about cutting benefits, cutting teachers, cutting the most necessary part of the program as a means of balancing the books. And we eat it up. We repeat it. The reality is, there is no department, program, entitlement, or budgetary item in which waste does not exist. There is no department, program, entitlement, or budgetary item that could not benefit from drastic overhauls in technology and efficiency. So when the cuts are made (and they need to be made to everything, not just the crap people don't like), they should be made in a effective, practical manner.

    The fact that they aren't should say something about the administration of that particular area of government focus, not on the legislators or people asking for cuts. Here in Texas we cut police, teachers, firefighters...while administrative staff make 1.5 - 2 times the base salary of their private-sector counterparts, plus all of the benefits of being a state employee (pension, discounted healthcare costs, etc). We cut teachers, police, and firefighters while one school district went out and bought fully loaded SUVs at 35k so that the ladies who travels between three schools for speech therapy and occupational therapy wouldn't have to drive their own cars the 15 total miles each day (about $1400 a year in mileage reimbursements if they use their own car, as opposed to the 35k for the car, plus the registration, inspection, and insurance).

    So instead of acting like any program is the holy grail of programs, and instead of dancing around throwing the opposition under the bus for calling for cuts, why don't we look at the reality of the situation? The money is not being spent in the best manner, and the cuts are not being handled appropriately. Don't fall for the fear-inducing nonsense that we have to resort to extremes when spending must decrease.

    And for the love of god, stop acting like the only people guilty of something you dislike is the opposition. Neither side of the coin can be held up as a paradigm of virtue.
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    Re: US Congress votes through South Korea trade deal

    It's about time the US experiences true ramen
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    Re: US Congress votes through South Korea trade deal

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Do I need to go back and post all the things you said about those who held their line on the budget battle? Read the article. The reason for this happening is because of their actions.
    Perry what part of I never complained about cutting things other than items that directly effected the working class middle class or poor..now if some of those that did that were involved in other cuts that I disagreed with I may very well have hammered them...and I shall again..

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    Re: US Congress votes through South Korea trade deal

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Perry what part of I never complained about cutting things other than items that directly effected the working class middle class or poor..now if some of those that did that were involved in other cuts that I disagreed with I may very well have hammered them...and I shall again..
    Join the group that avoids my arguement and makes one up to argue against.

    This is only happening because they are forced to do it by those who would not agree to raising the debt limit without an agreement on cuts. You slammed those who did that endlessly.

    I never said a word about what you thought should be cut.

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    Re: US Congress votes through South Korea trade deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    It's about time the US experiences true ramen
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    We can get that here in Canada

    At a better price then Ichiban noodles too

    I dont like the hot and spicy though as it causes my nose to run, which while eating noodles I dont like
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    Re: US Congress votes through South Korea trade deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    We can get that here in Canada

    At a better price then Ichiban noodles too

    I dont like the hot and spicy though as it causes my nose to run, which while eating noodles I dont like
    Weird, that kind of ramen (Shin ramen) is my favorite ramen brand, because it's spicy, the noodles are perfect (in terms of thickness), and the soup is also delicious.
    However, my tastes are unusual, because many complain about it being too spicy, even in Korea
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