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Republicans block Obama jobs bill

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Jryan said:
For most of your post, you should check out my cig... For the other part, read part 2:

Do you not know how to follow logic? If taxes are lower on the rich, someone else much pick up the slack, aka the middle class...
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Your cig? Do we spell signature with a "C" now? Cignature? Doesn't look quite right to me.

Taxes are not lower on the rich. As I stated and you are either too stupid to comprehend or you simply ignored, ACTUAL IRS DATA shows the top 1% paid 38% of federal income tax. Also posted in this thread with sources is IRS data that shows that the rich actually paid a higher percentage of EFFECTIVE TAXES than the middle class.

It is funny how your blog statistics differ from the US Labor department and IRS statistics.

The problem with our economy is that in 2006, unemployment went through the roof. If you are even worthy of speaking in public about this topic again, you should be able to tell us what happened in 2006.
 
Conservative said:
Pick up what slack? Do you believe that you fund someone else's tax cut? How does that happen since tax cuts come off personal income?
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Yes I do, if the most financially stressed people have higher taxes, they are unfairly taxed. Why do you think it is okay for the top 1% to pay less taxes than the middle class? How do you not correlate the middle taxes being high because the top 1% aren't paying their fair share?

(Hint: He will evade or ssssspppppiiiiinnnn)
 
Jryan said:
Yes I do, if the most financially stressed people have higher taxes, they are unfairly taxed. Why do you think it is okay for the top 1% to pay less taxes than the middle class? How do you not correlate the middle taxes being high because the top 1% aren't paying their fair share?

(Hint: He will evade or ssssspppppiiiiinnnn)
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"Fair" share ............. <sigh>

Can you define "fair" for us. From the liberal perspective anyway ? How much free-stuff are liberals entitled to, anyway ?
 
Smokified said:
It doesn't matter what has happened in the past.
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Come on seriously? So history is pointless...
This is a very ignorant statement. It does matter. We learn from history...

No 2 crisis are the same.
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Crisis's are very similar and we can learn from them..

In this case we have a stalled economy because people are not spending.
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People are spending.
We have a stalled economy for various other reasons.

This causes businesses to make less money
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Business's have record profits currently....

and therefore they cannot support their number of employees, level of manufacturing, etc...
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Business's have record profits currently and yes they can afford employees but they just choose not to.

The only way to fix this economy is to stop the government from spending like a bunch of drunken old people at a casino and raising our taxes.
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Taxes have not been raised.
Obama passed the Bush tax cuts..
And there is no correlation between taxes being raised and job growth/decline... History shows us that taxes have nothing to do with jobs being created/destoryed.

Put more money back into the private sector (through less government spending, which will eventually equate to less taxes all around) and you will see the economy go the other direction AND an increase in tax income even though the individual tax burden is less.
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May i ask what time in history did this happen?
Oh yea history apparently is pointless...


Businesses growing = more people working = more money in the private sector = more money speny by the private sector = more tax income. Pretty simple.
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Jryan said:
Yes I do, if the most financially stressed people have higher taxes, they are unfairly taxed. Why do you think it is okay for the top 1% to pay less taxes than the middle class? How do you not correlate the middle taxes being high because the top 1% aren't paying their fair share?

(Hint: He will evade or ssssspppppiiiiinnnn)
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Where in the world do you get your information? As has been posted here the IRS says differently and they collect the taxes. what do you know that they don't? You really need to stop buying what you are told and actually do some research as the rich do pay more than the middle class as the IRS shows. Still waiting for you to explain how the middle class fun the rich tax cuts? You need to provide actual verifiable numbers from the IRS, not some blog. It does appear to me that you don't understand personal income at all or investment income.
 
Conservative said:
FICA is SS and Medicare
Gas taxes aren't paid by people who don't drive cars.

You are unbelievable and I have to believe this is an act.

Why do you care what someone else makes? Do you have any idea what those top income earners give to charities? Why such disdain for what someone else makes?
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The distain comes from jealousy and immaturity.
 
★I AM A PROGRESSIVE SOCIALIST IN FAVOR OF DEMOCRACY★"

☮★☭★☭☮ Pro Palestine, Pro Working class, Pro Union, Pro Progressive Tax, Pro Democracy, Pro Syndicalism, Pro Socialist
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How are things in those utopian socialist countries? I cannot believe how naive some people are
 
Smokified said:
Really? You are going to post a blog as a source when real IRS data is just a few pages back that show that you are full of ****? My tax figures? Are you some kind of mental patient?
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Insults noted. I see, you are of the shoot the messenger mentality. As was specified, the figures were from a "recent study (Norton & Ariely, 2010)". You interpreted the IRS tax figures incorrectly.
 
Smokified said:
The distain comes from jealousy and immaturity.
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And that the human species has a subspecies of leeches amongst it. Forever suckling the gubmit teat. Like a tumor.
 
Conservative said:
How are things in those utopian socialist countries? I cannot believe how naive some people are
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Hmmmm how is this at all valid to the debate Conservative?
Running out of evidence and things to say?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Hmmmm how is this at all valid to the debate Conservative?
Running out of evidence and things to say?
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Your signature says it all so how about answering the question? You really don't like this country, do you? Where do you get the idea that socialists countries are better?
 
Conservative said:
Your signature says it all so how about answering the question?
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No Conservative... No it doesnt. It has nothing to do with about answering this question: "When in the history has any country ever gotten out of a time of crisis we are in right now with jobs and a deficit by cutting taxes? Name one time in history, in country in the world?"
It has nothing to do with if im a socialist or not..

You really don't like this country, do you?
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No i love this country...
Is it anti American or something to be a socialist?

Where do you get the idea that socialists countries are better?
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What country is socialist?
Cuba?
China?
USSR?
DPRK?

Me being a socialist Conservative has nothing to do with this question...
 
Conservative said:
How are things in those utopian socialist countries? I cannot believe how naive some people are
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You do realize the ideaology behind sociology right? Of course not. The idiology behind socialist is that a country should be able to financially support all of its members by the products they produce....

So, in theory, socialism should always work. BTW, Utopia isn't the same thing as Socialism.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
No Conservative... No it doesnt. It has nothing to do with about answering this question: "When in the history has any country ever gotten out of a time of crisis we are in right now with jobs and a deficit by cutting taxes? Name one time in history, in country in the world?"
It has nothing to do with if im a socialist or not..


No i love this country...
Is it anti American or something to be a socialist?


What country is socialist?
Cuba?
China?
USSR?
DPRK?

Me being a socialist Conservative has nothing to do with this question...
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Given your way and based upon socialist countries around the world, this govt. isn't spending enough on social programs such as welfare and that is your beef?

You have a problem competing in society? Why do you have a problem with the American income earners keeping more of what they earn for that is a tax cut? Tell me why you believe a free enterprise and capitalistic economy needs a 3.7 TRILLION dollar govt? If you truly want to cut the deficit and debt then cut the damn spending, period.

Yes it is anti American to be a socialist as that isn't the foundation upon which this country was built. Free enterpise and capitalism made this country the envy of the world so yes I do believe you hate this country probably because you cannot compete.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Come on seriously? So history is pointless...
This is a very ignorant statement. It does matter. We learn from history...
LOL! "We learn from history". That hasn't happened once in history, hence history repeating itself. What has happened in the past is irrelevant to the solution that corrects the future. The point of my statement, that you took out of context, is that regardless of who has ****ed up the economy in the past, Obama has only made things worse.

Crisis's are very similar and we can learn from them..
Yes, but they are not the same, and the people that should learn from them, simply just do not. And even if we did learn from a spcific crisis, it does not mean that the same solution applies to a different, even similar crisis. If we were to actually be learning from these situations we would not need to always be solving them.

People are spending.
We have a stalled economy for various other reasons.
People are spending at a very low rate compared to 5 years ago. This is the problem. What do you feel the various other reasons are?
Business's have record profits currently....


Business's have record profits currently and yes they can afford employees but they just choose not to.
Businesses could have higher profits by expanding their businesses (which would require more employeed), yet they are not doing this because the economy is unstable and it is not a very wise risk to take. Since there are all of these companies out there just collecting money and not growing to meet the demands of the growing population, what is stopping you, or any other idiot whining about jobs from starting your own company and employing these unemployed people?


Taxes have not been raised.
Obama passed the Bush tax cuts..
And there is no correlation between taxes being raised and job growth/decline... History shows us that taxes have nothing to do with jobs being created/destoryed.
There is however a correlation between people having more money in their pockets and how much they spend. As the cost of living increases, people will spend less on other items. Period. If we do not get government spending under control and stop wasting hard earned Amercan money, the economy WILL improve.

May i ask what time in history did this happen?
Oh yea history apparently is pointless...
Please, by all means tell us what history has taught us. You seem to keep coming up with all sorts of things that "don't work" yet you don't seem to have no idea what does work with all of this knowledge you have gained throughout history.


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Roll your eyes all you want back into that rotten squash you have in there, that does not change the fact that what I said is true.
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Replies in bold.

What is the point of anything you are saying here anyways? The point of this thread is that Obama's job plan is a joke. Another publicity stunte that costs us, you guessed it, tax money.
 
Jryan said:
You do realize the ideaology behind sociology right? Of course not. The idiology behind socialist is that a country should be able to financially support all of its members by the products they produce....

So, in theory, socialism should always work. BTW, Utopia isn't the same thing as Socialism.
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In a socialist country the govt. controls production and when they control the production they have the control. Is that what you really want here? Have you ever taken an American History course? Is that the vision of our Founders? This became the greatest country in the world because of free enterprise and incentives to be the best you can be. More inventions and more individual wealth creation in this country than any place else in the world. I really am concerned that someone your age has this attitude that socialism isn't bad. Until you live in a socialist country how would you know?
 
Conservative said:
In a socialist country the govt. controls production and when they control the production they have the control. Is that what you really want here? Have you ever taken an American History course? Is that the vision of our Founders? This became the greatest country in the world because of free enterprise and incentives to be the best you can be. More inventions and more individual wealth creation in this country than any place else in the world. I really am concerned that someone your age has this attitude that socialism isn't bad. Until you live in a socialist country how would you know?
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You do realize that you spined my post way out of what I was saying? It is an ideology that states, "If a country can't produce enogh goods to support its residence, then it is a failed society?" Christ, your post literally make me facepalm in RL.
 
Jryan said:
You do realize the ideaology behind sociology right? Of course not. The idiology behind socialist is that a country should be able to financially support all of its members by the products they produce....

So, in theory, socialism should always work. BTW, Utopia isn't the same thing as Socialism.
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You do realize the foundation of America, right? Of course not.

You work, you earn. You sit around and bitch all day, you don't earn. It is not the government, which is funded by hard working people, that needs to be responsible for supporting you. Get off your lazy ass and go support yourself.
 
Catawba said:
Except when you are given tax breaks over the last 30 years.
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Explain to us what you think a tax break is since it is obvious that you are confused.
 
Smokified said:
You do realize the foundation of America, right? Of course not.

You work, you earn. You sit around and bitch all day, you don't earn. It is not the government, which is funded by hard working people, that needs to be responsible for supporting you. Get off your lazy ass and go support yourself.
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Seeing as how this post was directed at me, I'm a full-time student and a part-time employee. We should redefine personal attack to this.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Hmmmm how is this at all valid to the debate Conservative?
Running out of evidence and things to say?
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It is very relevent to the debate. You are pushing socialism as the path to a better lifestyle and the evidence is that none of these countries are very desireable, especially by the standards that American's have learned to live by.

Sounds to me like you are just trying to dodge any evidence that shows how very wrong you are, just to hang onto some false sense of pride and an argument that you don't fully understand.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
No Conservative... No it doesnt. It has nothing to do with about answering this question: "When in the history has any country ever gotten out of a time of crisis we are in right now with jobs and a deficit by cutting taxes? Name one time in history, in country in the world?"
It has nothing to do with if im a socialist or not..
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I often wonder just how ignorant liberals can be. Do you wonder that ? Do you wonder how stupid Conservatives can be ?

Ronald Reagan inherited a mess. He lowered tax rates. And he closed loopholes. Revenues went up. Way up. Libtards like to point out that he increased the debt, while forgetting that he fixed just about everything else. He rebuilt the military, American pride, and paved the way for the boom 90's.

Now we got Obama. Who has taken deficits to percents-of-GDP that even Reagan could not imagine. And unlike Reagan, Obama wasted it all. ****ed up everything worse. Everything.
 
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