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Republicans block Obama jobs bill

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Conservative said:
this thread is about Obama, is this what you hired Obama to do?

Obama economic results in 2011,
.4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011(bea.gov)
25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)
2.6 million fewer jobs(bls.gov)
4.2 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site)
Downgrade of the U.S. credit rating(S&P)
Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.97 (The United States Misery Index By Year)
38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)
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Conservative said:
this thread is about Obama, is this what you hired Obama to do?

Obama economic results in 2011,
.4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011(bea.gov)
25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)
2.6 million fewer jobs(bls.gov)
4.2 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site)
Downgrade of the U.S. credit rating(S&P)
Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.97 (The United States Misery Index By Year)
38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)
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I said look ma, no hands!

Reagan GDP Changes of -3.2%, -4.9%, and -6.4%.
Bush GDP Changes of 1.8%, 1.3%, -3.7% and -8.9%
Under Reagan in 1981: 19.33
Under Bush in August 2008: 11.47
Unemployment under Reagan 1982: 9.7%
Unemployment under Bush (beginning 2009): 9.3%
Number of unemployed under Bush rose 22,000,000 from 2000-2008
From 1981-1982, 1,126,000 jobs were lost by Reagan.
In 1983, after losing over 1 million jobs, having over 9% unemployment, and posting losses in GDP, Reagan's approval rating was 40%.
In 2008, after starting multiple wars, driving up the deficit, and seeing the recession begin to start, president George W. Bush's approval rating was under 30%.
President Bush racked up 2.779 trillion in debt in 2 years as president.
 
whysoserious said:
Wrong, the correct answer was 2005.
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2010 numbers were reported in 2005 numbers as well and that is the point which of course you ignored. How is 2011 numbers looking vs. 2010? Is this why Obama was hired?

Obama economic results in 2011,
.4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011(bea.gov)
25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)
2.6 million fewer jobs(bls.gov)
4.2 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site)
Downgrade of the U.S. credit rating(S&P)
Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.97 (The United States Misery Index By Year)
38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)
 
Catawba said:
Furthermore, those tax cuts were put into place in 2001, so why haven’t they been creating jobs since 2001? If those tax cuts spur job growth we should have seen an increase in jobs during the Bush Administration, but instead we saw a massive loss."
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Did you miss the 9/11 thing that put a great strain on the economy? We lost fewer jobs than were expected after such a terrible blow to our economy and then we had the housing implosion.

We have a lot of house builders out of work along with all of the material suppliers. Barry/Obama knows that those jobs can't come back until the rest of the economy is allowed to grow. Hiring union members for government employment isn't the answer.

Government employees create nothing and the more government regulators we hire the less the rest of us will be able to create.
Producers create wealth and the government wants to spend our wealth on those who create red tape.
 
whysoserious said:
I said look ma, no hands!

Reagan GDP Changes of -3.2%, -4.9%, and -6.4%.
Bush GDP Changes of 1.8%, 1.3%, -3.7% and -8.9%
Under Reagan in 1981: 19.33
Under Bush in August 2008: 11.47
Unemployment under Reagan 1982: 9.7%
Unemployment under Bush (beginning 2009): 9.3%
Number of unemployed under Bush rose 22,000,000 from 2000-2008
From 1981-1982, 1,126,000 jobs were lost by Reagan.
In 1983, after losing over 1 million jobs, having over 9% unemployment, and posting losses in GDP, Reagan's approval rating was 40%.
In 2008, after starting multiple wars, driving up the deficit, and seeing the recession begin to start, president George W. Bush's approval rating was under 30%.
President Bush racked up 2.779 trillion in debt in 2 years as president.
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Would love to debate Bush and Reagan with you but this thread is about Obama. You sure you aren't Sheik with a new alias? Keep diverting and ignoring the question, is this what you expected when you voted for Obama?

Obama economic results in 2011,
.4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011(bea.gov)
25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)
2.6 million fewer jobs(bls.gov)
4.2 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site)
Downgrade of the U.S. credit rating(S&P)
Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.97 (The United States Misery Index By Year)
38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)
 
Iron River said:
Did you miss the 9/11 thing that put a great strain on the economy? We lost fewer jobs than were expected after such a terrible blow to our economy and then we had the housing implosion.

We have a lot of house builders out of work along with all of the material suppliers. Barry/Obama knows that those jobs can't come back until the rest of the economy is allowed to grow. Hiring union members for government employment isn't the answer.

Government employees create nothing and the more government regulators we hire the less the rest of us will be able to create.
Producers create wealth and the government wants to spend our wealth on those who create red tape.
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Nice try but a waste of time, some here are never going to admit that they screwed up with their vote nor will they actually address the Obama record.
 
Conservative said:
Would love to debate Bush and Reagan with you but this thread is about Obama. You sure you aren't Sheik with a new alias? Keep diverting and ignoring the question, is this what you expected when you voted for Obama?

Obama economic results in 2011,
.4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011(bea.gov)
25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)
2.6 million fewer jobs(bls.gov)
4.2 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site)
Downgrade of the U.S. credit rating(S&P)
Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.97 (The United States Misery Index By Year)
38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)
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I love talking history though:

Reagan GDP Changes of -3.2%, -4.9%, and -6.4%.
Bush GDP Changes of 1.8%, 1.3%, -3.7% and -8.9%
Under Reagan in 1981: 19.33
Under Bush in August 2008: 11.47
Unemployment under Reagan 1982: 9.7%
Unemployment under Bush (beginning 2009): 9.3%
Number of unemployed under Bush rose 22,000,000 from 2000-2008
From 1981-1982, 1,126,000 jobs were lost by Reagan.
In 1983, after losing over 1 million jobs, having over 9% unemployment, and posting losses in GDP, Reagan's approval rating was 40%.
In 2008, after starting multiple wars, driving up the deficit, and seeing the recession begin to start, president George W. Bush's approval rating was under 30%.
President Bush racked up 2.779 trillion in debt in 2 years as president.
 
Iron River said:
Did you miss the 9/11 thing that put a great strain on the economy? We lost fewer jobs than were expected after such a terrible blow to our economy and then we had the housing implosion.

We have a lot of house builders out of work along with all of the material suppliers. Barry/Obama knows that those jobs can't come back until the rest of the economy is allowed to grow. Hiring union members for government employment isn't the answer.

Government employees create nothing and the more government regulators we hire the less the rest of us will be able to create.
Producers create wealth and the government wants to spend our wealth on those who create red tape.
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Did you miss the whole economy crashing thing when Obama took office? It was kind of a big deal as well...
 
whysoserious said:
Did you miss the whole economy crashing thing when Obama took office? It was kind of a big deal as well...
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Yes, I did as the economy started into recession in December 2007 and Obama didn't take office until January 21, 2009. We came out of recession in June 2009. Bush inherited a recession that began in March 2001 and Reagan inherited a declining economy with high inflation and rising unemployment that put us in recession in July 1981. Bush tax cuts didn't pass until June 2001 and Reagan's economic policy didn't pass until August 1981 whereas Obama's passed in February 2009. Just a ittle bit of history for you since you like history.
 
I think if you reach 23k posts in a year you should get forum ban.
 
Conservative said:
Yes, I did as the economy started into recession in December 2007 and Obama didn't take office until January 21, 2009. We came out of recession in June 2009. Bush inherited a recession that began in March 2001 and Reagan inherited a declining economy with high inflation and rising unemployment that put us in recession in July 1981. Bush tax cuts didn't pass until June 2001 and Reagan's economic policy didn't pass until August 1981 whereas Obama's passed in February 2009. Just a ittle bit of history for you since you like history.
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Is that a joke? Unemployment didn't bottom out until Oct '09 and the GDP was ailing until then as well. You're a funny guy.

Reagan GDP Changes of -3.2%, -4.9%, and -6.4%.
Bush GDP Changes of 1.8%, 1.3%, -3.7% and -8.9%
Under Reagan in 1981: 19.33
Under Bush in August 2008: 11.47
Unemployment under Reagan 1982: 9.7%
Unemployment under Bush (beginning 2009): 9.3%
Number of unemployed under Bush rose 22,000,000 from 2000-2008
From 1981-1982, 1,126,000 jobs were lost by Reagan.
In 1983, after losing over 1 million jobs, having over 9% unemployment, and posting losses in GDP, Reagan's approval rating was 40%.
In 2008, after starting multiple wars, driving up the deficit, and seeing the recession begin to start, president George W. Bush's approval rating was under 30%.
President Bush racked up 2.779 trillion in debt in 2 years as president.
 
whysoserious said:
Is that a joke? Unemployment didn't bottom out until Oct '09 and the GDP was ailing until then as well. You're a funny guy.

Reagan GDP Changes of -3.2%, -4.9%, and -6.4%.
Bush GDP Changes of 1.8%, 1.3%, -3.7% and -8.9%
Under Reagan in 1981: 19.33
Under Bush in August 2008: 11.47
Unemployment under Reagan 1982: 9.7%
Unemployment under Bush (beginning 2009): 9.3%
Number of unemployed under Bush rose 22,000,000 from 2000-2008
From 1981-1982, 1,126,000 jobs were lost by Reagan.
In 1983, after losing over 1 million jobs, having over 9% unemployment, and posting losses in GDP, Reagan's approval rating was 40%.
In 2008, after starting multiple wars, driving up the deficit, and seeing the recession begin to start, president George W. Bush's approval rating was under 30%.
President Bush racked up 2.779 trillion in debt in 2 years as president.
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Obama economic results in 2011,
.4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011(bea.gov)
25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)
2.6 million fewer jobs(bls.gov)
4.2 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site)
Downgrade of the U.S. credit rating(S&P)
Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.97 (The United States Misery Index By Year)
38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)
 
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Conservative said:
Obama economic results in 2011,
.4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011(bea.gov)
25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)
2.6 million fewer jobs(bls.gov)
4.2 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site)
Downgrade of the U.S. credit rating(S&P)
Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.97 (The United States Misery Index By Year)
38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)
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Bush and Reagan were terrible presidents by the numbers
Reagan GDP Changes of -3.2%, -4.9%, and -6.4%.
Bush GDP Changes of 1.8%, 1.3%, -3.7% and -8.9%
Misery Index Under Reagan in 1981: 19.33
Misery Index Under Bush in August 2008: 11.47
Unemployment under Reagan 1982: 9.7%
Unemployment under Bush (beginning 2009): 9.3%
Number of unemployed under Bush rose 22,000,000 from 2000-2008
From 1981-1982, 1,126,000 jobs were lost by Reagan.
In 1983, after losing over 1 million jobs, having over 9% unemployment, and posting losses in GDP, Reagan's approval rating was 40%.
In 2008, after starting multiple wars, driving up the deficit, and seeing the recession begin to start, president George W. Bush's approval rating was under 30%.
President Bush racked up 2.779 trillion in debt in 2 years as president.[/QUOTE]
 
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Jetboogieman said:
Well ah... hate to be a bum but Tax Rates are the lowest they've been in the last 30 years...
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It is only about half of the story. When the rates were lowered the agreement was to eliminate the tax shelters. So even though the marginal rates are lower the amount taken by a greedy government has increased, hasn't it?

If we are going to raise the tax rates shouldn't we bring back all of the tax shelters to go along with the increased rates?
 
Jetboogieman said:
But you said

And even though it was a compromise, people are keeping more of their money then in any time in the last 30 years.
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But this is not true. Perhaps you know the truth but prefer not to type it. Or maybe you don't. When the rates were lowered the tax shelters were eliminated. So as we encourage the government to wrest more money from the successful by raising the rates shouldn't we return their tax shelters as well?
 
zgoldsmith23 said:
"Conservative - he who dies with the most stuff, wins"

Oh, and you remember when the government was "of the people, by the people, and for the people?" When exactly was this? In the 40s and 50s - when the top tax rate was 90%?
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Would you provide that part of the story that turns this statement from a lie to a truth? What was the effective tax rate? What happened to the tax shelters?
 
Iron River said:
Did you miss the 9/11 thing that put a great strain on the economy? We lost fewer jobs than were expected after such a terrible blow to our economy and then we had the housing implosion.
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9/11 didn't put a great strain on the economy, our overreaction to it put a strain on the economy.

We have a lot of house builders out of work along with all of the material suppliers. Barry/Obama knows that those jobs can't come back until the rest of the economy is allowed to grow. Hiring union members for government employment isn't the answer.
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Where is the job growth that was supposed to have happened as a result of the tax cuts for the wealthy? Last year the GOP threatened to stop unemployment benefits unless the tax cuts for the wealthy were extended. They said this was necessary to create jobs. Where are those jobs???

Government employees create nothing and the more government regulators we hire the less the rest of us will be able to create.
Producers create wealth and the government wants to spend our wealth on those who create red tape.
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The government can produce jobs and stimulate the economy by doing so until there is enough consumer demand needed for private sector to increase production.
 
whysoserious said:
I love talking history though:

Reagan GDP Changes of -3.2%, -4.9%, and -6.4%.
Bush GDP Changes of 1.8%, 1.3%, -3.7% and -8.9%
Under Reagan in 1981: 19.33
Under Bush in August 2008: 11.47
Unemployment under Reagan 1982: 9.7%
Unemployment under Bush (beginning 2009): 9.3%
Number of unemployed under Bush rose 22,000,000 from 2000-2008
From 1981-1982, 1,126,000 jobs were lost by Reagan.
In 1983, after losing over 1 million jobs, having over 9% unemployment, and posting losses in GDP, Reagan's approval rating was 40%.
In 2008, after starting multiple wars, driving up the deficit, and seeing the recession begin to start, president George W. Bush's approval rating was under 30%.
President Bush racked up 2.779 trillion in debt in 2 years as president.
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You certainly love to re-write history as you love ignoring the Obama numbers in 2009 you have no problem blaming Reagan and Bush for policies that they never had any time to implement as neither Reagan or Bush had the overwhelming numbers Obama had thus didn't implement their plan until much later in the year. Further when you talk about fiscal year you ignore that the fiscal year of the U.S. runs from October to September thus fiscal year 1981 began in October 1980 and fiscal year 2001 began in October 2000. Typical mistake by a misinformed liberal

As I stated, I have no problem debating Bush and Reagan but would prefer doing it with someone who doesn't distort and downright lie about the numbers plus it needs to be done on its own thread. All you are doing . is diverting from the Obama record. I assure you that Obama would give anything to have the Reagan and Bush record two years after the end of the recession that both inherited. Rather than be truthful you distort and provide your own biased spin but none of that will have anything to do with the election of 2012. It will be the Obama record that will be on the ballot in 2012. So for someone that loves history you really need to learn it first starting with the history being generated by Obama.

Obama economic results in 2011,
.4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011(bea.gov)
25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)
2.6 million fewer jobs(bls.gov)
4.2 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site)
Downgrade of the U.S. credit rating(S&P)
Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.97 (The United States Misery Index By Year)
38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)
 
Jryan said:
The problem with this graph is that it encompasses three things, Employment (Good), Hours (Sort of off topic), and Earnings. The last two skew the data from just Employment, which I presume we are looking at. We also, as you pointed out, are looking at trends. See poweRob's post :).
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HUH? Did you read the graph? Did you note the words 'ALL EMPLOYEES, THOUSANDS'? I guess not. There were other graphs/tables on that data set that included hours and earnings also. As you pointed out they are irrelevant so I didn't post the screen shot of them. Thanks for reviewing my post so carefully.
 
Conservative said:
You certainly love to re-write history as you love ignoring the Obama numbers in 2009 you have no problem blaming Reagan and Bush for policies that they never had any time to implement as neither Reagan or Bush had the overwhelming numbers Obama had thus didn't implement their plan until much later in the year. Further when you talk about fiscal year you ignore that the fiscal year of the U.S. runs from October to September thus fiscal year 1981 began in October 1980 and fiscal year 2001 began in October 2000. Typical mistake by a misinformed liberal

As I stated, I have no problem debating Bush and Reagan but would prefer doing it with someone who doesn't distort and downright lie about the numbers plus it needs to be done on its own thread. All you are doing . is diverting from the Obama record. I assure you that Obama would give anything to have the Reagan and Bush record two years after the end of the recession that both inherited. Rather than be truthful you distort and provide your own biased spin but none of that will have anything to do with the election of 2012. It will be the Obama record that will be on the ballot in 2012. So for someone that loves history you really need to learn it first starting with the history being generated by Obama.

Obama economic results in 2011,
.4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011(bea.gov)
25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011(bls.gov)
2.6 million fewer jobs(bls.gov)
4.2 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years(U.S. Treasury Site)
Downgrade of the U.S. credit rating(S&P)
Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.97 (The United States Misery Index By Year)
38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings(Gallup)
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The Bush results created more government jobs than private sector jobs.
 
Catawba said:
9/11 didn't put a great strain on the economy, our overreaction to it put a strain on the economy.


The government can produce jobs and stimulate the economy by doing so until there is enough consumer demand needed for private sector to increase production.
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Are you KIDDING??? The market dove once opened after 9/11.

The government CAN produce jobs but HOW are they going to pay for them? Tax the rich??? And what is the collective income of the 'rich'? Around $2t annually (per irs.com). And our deficits have been how much?

I guess you could say that those in poverty are not the 'rich' so everyone else IS. So lets raise taxes on all those making above $25k/yr so that we can put others to work. Sounds like redistribution to me...and that has worked SO well in history.
 
Conservative said:
You certainly love to re-write history as you love ignoring the Obama numbers in 2009 you have no problem blaming Reagan and Bush for policies that they never had any time to implement as neither Reagan or Bush had the overwhelming numbers Obama had thus didn't implement their plan until much later in the year. Further when you talk about fiscal year you ignore that the fiscal year of the U.S. runs from October to September thus fiscal year 1981 began in October 1980 and fiscal year 2001 began in October 2000. Typical mistake by a misinformed liberal
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Whoa, those are the numbers buddy. Can you disprove them? I tried to talk to you about context, and every time you said that those were real numbers and context didn't matter. Well guess what, so are these. Obviously you are too thick to understand that I am only parodying your "numbers" with numbers of my own. What do my numbers mean? Nothing, just like yours mean nothing because neither of them have context.


But as long as you keep spamming that nonsense, I'll be right here spamming it next to you:






Bush and Reagan were terrible presidents by the numbers
Reagan GDP Changes of -3.2%, -4.9%, and -6.4%.
Bush GDP Changes of 1.8%, 1.3%, -3.7% and -8.9%
Misery Index Under Reagan in 1981: 19.33
Misery Index Under Bush in August 2008: 11.47
Unemployment under Reagan 1982: 9.7%
Unemployment under Bush (beginning 2009): 9.3%
Number of unemployed under Bush rose 22,000,000 from 2000-2008
From 1981-1982, 1,126,000 jobs were lost by Reagan.
In 1983, after losing over 1 million jobs, having over 9% unemployment, and posting losses in GDP, Reagan's approval rating was 40%.
In 2008, after starting multiple wars, driving up the deficit, and seeing the recession begin to start, president George W. Bush's approval rating was under 30%.
President Bush racked up 2.779 trillion in debt in 2 years as president.
 
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