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An interesting pie chart here, more than 50% of federal budget is spent on defense.

What budget? We haven't had an accepted Federal Budget in 3years. And before you say it Democrats controlled Congress the first 2 of those 3. Talk about a straw man.
 
They get QUALITY education because they have federal funding.

But you yourself stated 'NCLB (a federal funding program) has failed'. So how are you defining 'quality education'?
 
Not really. The plan is an exact copy of the Texas plan, brough by Bush and his Sec. Of Ed. Kennedy worked out the legal language, but the plan itself solely comes from Bush and texas. It's more than a little misleading to try and give Kennedy credit for NCLB.

I am not sure that is 100% correct either, but ok, it was at the least bi partisan, so to use it as a talking point sledge hammer against republicans is about as dishonest as one can get I think.


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I am not sure that is 100% correct either, but ok, it was at the least bi partisan, so to use it as a talking point sledge hammer against republicans is about as dishonest as one can get I think.


j-mac

No. NCLB is nearly an exact model of the texas program. That is a fact.

And that NCLB is the centerpiece of their Texas Republican President's domestic policy?
And that its implementation was orchestrated by loyal Texas GOP'ers in Rod Paige and Margaret Spellings (who, by the way, some have rumored might run for office upon her return to Texas)?
And that NCLB was modeled after the Texas accountability system which was designed by Texans (Sandy Kress)? Question: Given that, why doesn't the GOP also call for abolishing the state accountability system?

Who thinks NCLB stinks? Texas Republicans, that's who. | Dallas ISD Blog | dallasnews.com

the No Child Left Behind law, which was largely modeled after Texas’s high-stakes testing program

Texas Superintendents Reject High-Stakes Testing, Propose New Vision | FairTest

. . . the goal of the No Child Left Behind Act that President Bush modeled after his program in Texas

ESR | March 7, 2005 | No Child Left Behind Act: An intrusion on state's rights?

I don't blame the other republicans for this any more than Kennedy. This came from bush, his program, his ed sec. I laugh at how you guys try to remove all responsibility from him for all his programs. i guess Bush never really did anything at all. :coffeepap
 
But you yourself stated 'NCLB (a federal funding program) has failed'. So how are you defining 'quality education'?

I think quality of education has to do with a lot of things. I think that the best way to find how well we are doing is to compare ourselves to other nations or parts of our country to other parts of our country.
 
WTF difference does who wrote NCLB make? The point is NCLB has failed and was a reauthorization of ESEA which by association has failed except in the case of reallocating scarce resources.
 
WTF difference does who wrote NCLB make? The point is NCLB has failed and was a reauthorization of ESEA which by association has failed except in the case of reallocating scarce resources.

Difference? It's about personal responsibility. Anyone who coould read should have known it would fail. It was truely that illogical an idea.
 
Strawman

Do you not understand that if there are more poor people there is less tax revenue in an area?
Do you not understand that if there are more poor people then government should reduce the barriers to business so good jobs will be created.

Do you not understand that the rich provide majority of the social services, which they deserve to pay.
This makes no sense as written.

So, if you have a bunch of poor people paying a low amount of money, how do you propose the children get an education?
See above. Get the liberals out of the system. Reduce barriers to business. Bring more businesses in and solve the problem.

Again, the only way for these low income states to have proper schools is a federal tax.
Not under the United States Constitution. Local schools are local issues. I pay taxes in my county to support schools in my county. You do the same.

You don't want to admit this because that would mean we NEED a federal income tax.
We do need a means to raise money for Constitutional requirements. Local education is not one of them.
 
Do you not understand that if there are more poor people then government should reduce the barriers to business so good jobs will be created.


This makes no sense as written.


See above. Get the liberals out of the system. Reduce barriers to business. Bring more businesses in and solve the problem.


Not under the United States Constitution. Local schools are local issues. I pay taxes in my county to support schools in my county. You do the same.


We do need a means to raise money for Constitutional requirements. Local education is not one of them.

It is hard to argue against one who won't argue...
 
My mistake, you said that only 20% of the country was liberal, yet a Democrat who campaigned on progressive positions won the election.

LOL ..... the Democrat nominee would have had to have been brain-dead to not win in 2008.

What is to be noted with utmost prejudice is that the uber-liberal Obama has failed massively at everything, except continuing the war on terrorism, as structured by Bush btw. On all things domestic, and most especially everything economy, Obama is a mega disaster. After winning that November 2008 poll, he is getting his ass kicked in all the ones that are based on how he has actually performed since. And that ass-whuppin ain't over.

Do you not yet see what a complete asshat cluster**** that ditz is ?
 
If you endorse a socialist economic plan you are by definition a socialist.

Yes I have heard the claim by those on the far right who think our forefathers were socialists for instituting and maintaing social security for most of the last century.
 
If you have read the bill then tell me what happens after the Federal funding stops and why you buy the rhetoric from this President?

By stimulating the economy, demand increases causing increased production which creates more funding for the states to continue funding critical job positions on their own.
 
the Obama apologists can never admit that they are wrong or were duped by the Obama rhetoric

From a guy that voted for Bush II twice. The first time is a forgivable sin; the second time..... well, he should have known better.

Sorry, but the huge deficit was created by the previous administration from over-spending on two wars (one completely elective) financed by cutting taxes (never before have taxes been cut during wartime) and then presiding over the commencement of the worst economic downturn since 1929. You can blame Obama for his failure to fix the problem, but most of the world still see this as Bush's mess.

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You get frustrated that we don't see the ills of Obama; most of us are equally to more dumb-founded that you are blind to incompetence of the Bush administration and the Republican controlled congress that had the reins for most of the last decade. Show some humility and admit Bush was an abject failure, and maybe you will see some commensurate humility from those on the otherside.
 
From a guy that voted for Bush II twice. The first time is a forgivable sin; the second time..... well, he should have known better.

That reminds me of an old saying:

"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again." - George W. Bush
 
By stimulating the economy, demand increases causing increased production which creates more funding for the states to continue funding critical job positions on their own.

842 billlion Stimulus One didn't do it so the less than 500 billion stimulus 2 will? Keep buying what this Administration tells you
 
From a guy that voted for Bush II twice. The first time is a forgivable sin; the second time..... well, he should have known better.

Sorry, but the huge deficit was created by the previous administration from over-spending on two wars (one completely elective) financed by cutting taxes (never before have taxes been cut during wartime) and then presiding over the commencement of the worst economic downturn since 1929. You can blame Obama for his failure to fix the problem, but most of the world still see this as Bush's mess.

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You get frustrated that we don't see the ills of Obama; most of us are equally to more dumb-founded that you are blind to incompetence of the Bush administration and the Republican controlled congress that had the reins for most of the last decade. Show some humility and admit Bush was an abject failure, and maybe you will see some commensurate humility from those on the otherside.

How long are you going to blame Bush and ignore that it was the Obama spending the last three years that added 4.2 trillion to the debt? Normally that is what Obama supporters always do, blame someone else for their own budget and their own Administration failures. Liberalism is a disease, seek help.
 
How long are you going to blame Bush and ignore that it was the Obama spending the last three years that added 4.2 trillion to the debt? Normally that is what Obama supporters always do, blame someone else for their own budget and their own Administration failures. Liberalism is a disease, seek help.

Depends, how long are you going to blame Obama and ignore the 14.8 trillion dollars Bush spent?
 
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