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Republicans block Obama jobs bill

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Objective Voice said:
Now, this is the problem I have with people who think as you do.

Deficit (before debt limit increase) = $14 trillion

Obama responsible for: $4.2 trillion

Cost of both wars responsible for: $1.2 trillion

Total cumulative debt = $5.4 trillion

Whose responsible for the remaining $9 trillion?

You can try to blame a Democrat Congress (2006-2010) as you often do, but Republicans ran Congress for 10 years prior (1997-2007) and had a Republican President for 8 of those years (2000-2008), not to mention Clinton left a budget surplus when he left office in 2000. So, whose really to blame for our country's economic woes?
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Conservative said:
That might be one of the most misinformed posts that I have ever read, someone who doesn't understand debt and deficit. Obama has over 4.2 TRILLION in deficits that have been added to the debt. Not sure where you get your information but you need to get a refund if you paid for any of it. Democrats took control of the Senate the middle of 2001 but that doesn't seem to resonate with liberals.

Debt is 14.8 trillion, not deficit as deficits are yearly and debt is cumulative.

Obama has added 4.2 trillion to the debt in less than 3 years which were the result of the 2009-2011 spending.

Cost of both wars 1.2 trillion over 10 years or 120 billion per year so why are you applying the total cost of the wars to the yearly budget.

Try again?
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What does Democrat control of the Senate have to do with anything? Unless you can point to appropriations bills that Senate body approved and was subsequently signed into law that added to the deficit, all you have is one chamber of Congress that couldn't get anything done without the cooperation of the other such as the legislative logjam what currently have to deal with right now. Furthermore, most appropriation bills originate in the House, which Republicans controlled until 2006. That's the first SIX YEARS of "W's" presidency. What did they do during that time? How much money did they appropriate? Care to explain their role in this economic mess? Odds are you don't because you can't defend their actions. So, as usual you deflect along partisan angles.

Now, let's take a closer look at the graph Gill provided reposted below (or view it in his post #506)...

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Notice how starting in 2005, the deficit started going down and continued to do so after the Democrats took control of Congress in 2006...that is until the housing bubble burst in late 2008. And this is where I have a problem with Conservatives in their judgment on the economy under President Obama. You act as if the debt and deficit started under his presidency AND you completely ignore the fact that near half of the current deficit spending was enacted under GWB just prior to him leaving office...TARP anyone? (And just so we're clear, Gill's chart illustrates figures from fiscal years. Thus, the first red deficit bar can be attributed to...

...wait for it...

...GEORGE W. BUSH'S PRESIDENCY!

Look, I'll be the first to admit Democrats aren't obsolved of their role in helping to pile on debt over the years and, thus, adding to the deficit. But to brush off Republican's role in creating this mess which has its genesis in the Reagan years and attempt to place the blame sqaurely on President Obama and the Democrats is totally disingenuous. The moment you guys accept your party's role in adding to the deficit over the last 2-3 decades will be the moment I stop hammering your side with indisputable facts.
 
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Objective Voice;1059885617]What does Democrat control of the Senate have to do with anything? Unless you can point to appropriations bills that Senate body approved and was subsequently signed into law that added to the deficit, all you have is one chamber of Congress that couldn't get anything done without the cooperation of the other such as the legislative logjam what currently have to deal with right now. Furthermore, most appropriation bills originate in the House, which Republicans controlled until 2006. That's the first SIX YEARS of "W's" presidency. What did they do during that time? How much money did they appropriate? Care to explain their role in this economic mess? Odds are you don't because you can't defend their actions. So, as usual you deflect along partisan angles.
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You made the claim that the GOP controlled Congress until 2007 and since the Senate is part of Congress, your statement is false. now if I were a liberal I would claim that you lied but instead I will state that you mis-stated the facts.

As for the Bush Congress which was 2003-2006 all you need to do is look at job creation, GDP growth, deficits and you will see that the results are better than the media and left has presented to you. Not really sure what that has to do with today but keep diverting to the Bush years nor does it respond to the absolutely false information you posted about the deficit and debt. Barack Obama is a total and complete disaster fully living up to his resume which you obviously ignored.
 
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Conservative said:
Liberalism has created the problems we have today and you want more of it? We have a 14.8 trillion dollar debt most of it due to social spending and yet that isn't enough? What ever led you to believe that liberal social engineering has ever led to solving any social problems yet the liberal answer is tax more thus we have more money to throw at the problem.
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The BS detector just went off when you claimed that our problems today were caused by liberalism, and that most of our national debt is due to social spending. We have never had a liberal president, or Congress for that matter. We only have two liberal Congressmen, Bernie Sanders and Dennis Kucinich Tell us how these two Congressman created our debt over the last 30 years?
 
Catawba said:
The BS detector just went off when you claimed that our problems today were caused by liberalism, and that most of our national debt is due to social spending. We have never had a liberal president, or Congress for that matter. We only have two liberal Congressmen, Bernie Sanders and Dennis Kucinich Tell us how these two Congressman created our debt over the last 30 years?
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Prove that statement wrong, Great Society and New Deal expenses contributed to most of the debt we have today. Social engineering and buying votes are what liberals do
 
Fun with numbers!

63% of voters support the American Jobs Act.

100% of the Republicans voted against it.
 
Conservative said:
Prove that statement wrong, Great Society and New Deal expenses contributed to most of the debt we have today. Social engineering and buying votes are what liberals do
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LOL! You made the claim, prove it if you can.
 
Catawba said:
Fun with numbers!

63% of voters support the American Jobs Act.

100% of the Republicans voted against it.
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As did two Democrats and more would have had there been an up or down vote that McConnell authorized. Keep spinning and buying the lies.
 
Catawba said:
Fun with numbers!

63% of voters support the American Jobs Act.

100% of the Republicans voted against it.
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51% of people supported Obamacare at one time too... now only 36% support it and 70% want it repealed. It's what happens when enough time passes that people find out what is really in it...
 
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Ockham said:
51% of people supported Obamacare at one time too... now only 36% support it and 70% want it repealed. It's what happens when enough time passes that people find out what is really in it...
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If you can't beat 'em, change the subject, eh Ockham?

"It is simply not true that "the American people" want President Obama's health-care reform law repealed. House Republicans should be aware that while conservative activists may support the action they're about to take, surveys indicate that the general public clearly does not.

A new Post poll shows that 50 percent of those surveyed oppose the "Obamacare" law, while 45 percent support it. But these numbers are misleading, since The Post reports that "a quarter of those who oppose the health-care law say the legislation is faulty because it did not go far enough, not because it pushed change too far."

In other words, one-fourth of the law's opponents believe it should have been more ambitious and far-reaching, not less so. These are people who would have liked to see single-payer universal care, or tighter regulation of insurance companies, or less restrictive language on abortion rights -- hardly positions that John Boehner and Eric Cantor would endorse. By counting them among opponents of the law, Republicans are essentially arguing that Michael Moore is on their side.

Subtracting these dyed-in-the-wool progressives from the "anti-" column leaves just 37.5 percent opposed to the health-care law. Putting the Moore crowd in the "pro-" column, where ideologically it belongs, means that 57.5 percent of Americans support what Republicans deride as a "big government takeover of health care."

So the next time somebody tries to tell you how unpopular "Obamacare" is, remember one thing: It isn't."

PostPartisan - Americans don't want health-care repeal


Now, back to topic, how do you spin the 63% support of the American Jobs Act?
 
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Catawba said:
If you can't beat 'em, change the subject, eh Ockham?
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No need to change the subject. By posting exactly what I did, I simply pointed out that your cherry picked % isn't a static one. Support for bills tends to go down once people realize, read or are told what is actually in the bill. Sorry you don't like that, but that's reality. :shrug:
 
Catawba said:
Fun with numbers!

63% of voters support the American Jobs Act.

100% of the Republicans voted against it.
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Actually, 63% of folks do not support the absurd JOBS bill. That was from a BS poll. America is not behind Obama on anything right now, except his exit from the WH.
 
Ockham said:
No need to change the subject.
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Yet you did, and avoided the question regarding it.

By posting exactly what I did, I simply pointed out that your cherry picked % isn't a static one. Support for bills tends to go down once people realize, read or are told what is actually in the bill. Sorry you don't like that, but that's reality. :shrug:
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I must have missed this part in your post:

"The Post reports that "a quarter of those who oppose the health-care law say the legislation is faulty because it did not go far enough, not because it pushed change too far."
 
Eighty Deuce said:
Actually, 63% of folks do not support the absurd JOBS bill. That was from a BS poll. America is not behind Obama on anything right now, except his exit from the WH.
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And you base this opinion on what?
 
Catawba said:
And you base this opinion on what?
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I read the poll. Further, I saw no Democrat willing to co-sponser the bill. In fact, I saw no Democrat in Congress saying "pass this now". Only Obumbles.

And I see Obumbles at 38% job approval with Gallup today. And going lower.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
I read the poll. Further, I saw no Democrat willing to co-sponser the bill. In fact, I saw no Democrat in Congress saying "pass this now". Only Obumbles.

And I see Obumbles at 38% job approval with Gallup today. And going lower.
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Wonder why the public would support a jobs bill by such high numbers yet have such a low approval rating for the guy that presented the bill? Hmmm

Gallup Daily: Obama Job Approval
 
Dickieboy said:
Please do, I don't know where you got your data but below was copy/pasted directly from BLS tables:

Series Id: LNS12000000
Seasonally Adjusted
Series title: (Seas) Employment Level
Labor force status: Employed
Type of data: Number in thousands
Age: 16 years and over

Year Dec Annual Change
2001 136047
2002 136426 379
2003 138411 1985
2004 140125 1714
2005 142752 2627
2006 145970 3218
2007 146272 302
2008 143324 -2948
2009 137960 -5364
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You can take issue with the person who liked your post (Conservative). Those numbers are his and I continued to use his numbers.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-partisan-politics-and-political-platforms/103936-reagan-mythology-leading-us-off-cliff-17.html#post1059882764 (See post #165)
 
Conservative said:
Wonder why the public would support a jobs bill by such high numbers yet have such a low approval rating for the guy that presented the bill? Hmmm

Gallup Daily: Obama Job Approval
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LOL ... that, and I see a bunch of unwashed free-loaders crapping in parks proclaiming to be "Occupiers", and that they represent the "99%". They represent the 30% of America that always thinks they are owed. The other 70% is disgusted by them.
 
Jryan said:
The government is your friend because the officials are elected. IE, we get a say in what happens.
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Misterveritis said:
This is why you fail. Government must be the servant of the people. Not its master.
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That's weird, I didn't see him say the government should be the master of the people... He said it should be their friend. Friend doesn't equate to master.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
LOL ... that, and I see a bunch of unwashed free-loaders crapping in parks proclaiming to be "Occupiers", and that they represent the "99%". They represent the 30% of America that always thinks they are owed. The other 70% is disgusted by them.
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Haha - I like you brought up the "Occupy" feces situation as if it were a common occurance. However, I bet complain when liberals call the Tea Party racist. Hypocrisy at its finest.

Also, Americans seem to like the "OWS" Poll: Most Americans Support Occupy Wall Street - Matthew Cooper - Politics - The Atlantic
 
zgoldsmith23 said:
Haha - I like you brought up the "Occupy" feces situation as if it were a common occurance. However, I bet complain when liberals call the Tea Party racist. Hypocrisy at its finest.

Also, Americans seem to like the "OWS" Poll: Most Americans Support Occupy Wall Street - Matthew Cooper - Politics - The Atlantic
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Why don't you just send a check to my local community to pay for teachers, fire fighters, and police vs sending it to the govt. to syphon off Administrative costs and then send it wherever they want? Do you ever think? Do you really believe it is your responsibility to pay for some other communities police, fire fighters, and teachers? When does reliance on the Federal Govt. stop?
 
Catawba said:
And you base this opinion on what?
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Liberals all over the country are crying like little babies, cause their boy is a total ****up and they know it. He can't get **** passed, because everyone can smell his **** coming a mile away.
 
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