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Republicans block Obama jobs bill

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Catawba;1059883834]I am asking you for your opinion on each of these bills:

We should continue to provide a tax break to companies when they ship jobs overseas?
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Tax break meaning that a company keeps more of what they earn? I have no problem with that. Business taxes are too high the way they are and if you lowered taxes there would be no incentive to move jobs overseas

We should not require all donors to political campaigns to reveal themselves?
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Why is that important? I don't care who contributes what to whom? Why do you? Those people don't vote and if your Congressional Rep's vote can be bought then that is the problem, not the contribution

We should not increase the military basic pay?
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I doubt seriously that this is the only thing in that bill. I believe our military is underpaid so i have no problem increasing their pay

We should not improve aural protection for members of the Armed Forces.
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What is that even an issue? What more is there in this bill and why is it being opposed?

We should not give LOCAL, community banks access to billions of dollars to loan to small businesses?
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Banks should be responsible for their own funds,no bail outs, no taxpayer funds except those that go through the normal channels. Taxpayer money should go to fund a small central govt.

We should not make excess nonlethal supplies available for domestic emergency assistance?
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Domestic emergency assistance is a taxpayer funded service as required by the state and local governments. I believe in states rights and when a state asks for Federal Aid it should be given, not forced. Too many strings otherwise.
 
Smokified said:
You're misunderstanding the context of this statement in the article. The point is that "The Chamber" that has consistently tried to reduce outsourcing still feels that the bill presented is not a proper solution, and that it will in fact interfere with the American companies competing in the World Market. Not all products in our stores are produced by American companies. The reality is that if the average American has the choice of purchasing an American made item or a less expensive yet equally as valuable foreign made item, they are going to choose the one that is less expensive in most cases. This creates a bad situation for our private sector corporations which in turn makes it harder for Americans to find jobs and increases our cost of living. If you then increase the operation costs of these companies even further, you will only make the situation worse.
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No, you are misunderstanding the quote, both from a literal analysis of the statement, and in context with their support for blocking a bill that would reduce outsourcing.

The situation is already worse! We do not have enough jobs for our people because we continue to provide incentives for companies to move jobs overseas.

It may be good for the wealthy, who are only interested in their personal bottom line, but its not good for the working class who have been suffering from high unemployment for the last 5 years, or those graduating from college without jobs.
 
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Until Democrats controlled Congress in 2007, jobs created exceeded jobs lost.

The Department of the Interior, Department of Energy, and Environmental Protection Agency drive more jobs out of this country than the tax code.

But, I'll play along. The highest corporate tax in the world will surely cause employers to look elsewhere.
 
Conservative said:
Tax break meaning that a company keeps more of what they earn?
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Tas break meaning they pay less taxes for moving jobs overseas than a company does for keeping jobs in the US.


Why is that important? I don't care who contributes what to whom? Why do you? Those people don't vote and if your Congressional Rep's vote can be bought then that is the problem, not the contribution
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So, it would be ok with you if Iran donated heavily to one party, just as long as we didn't know it was them?



I doubt seriously that this is the only thing in that bill. I believe our military is underpaid so i have no problem increasing their pay
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Why did the GOP block the basic military pay increase?



What is that even an issue? What more is there in this bill and why is it being opposed?
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You would have to ask the GOP, they are the ones that blocked increased aural protection for the troops.



Banks should be responsible for their own funds,no bail outs, no taxpayer funds except those that go through the normal channels. Taxpayer money should go to fund a small central govt.
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Its actually about local banks having access to funds from bigger banks to make loans to small businesses. Are you opposed to small business having greater access to loans?


Domestic emergency assistance is a taxpayer funded service as required by the state and local governments. I believe in states rights and when a state asks for Federal Aid it should be given, not forced. Too many strings otherwise.
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No one is suggesting forcing states to take excess nonlethal supplies during a disaster, they are talking about making them available, when requested, as you suggest.
 
There are laws against foreign contributions, which Obama got around with $20 debut cards that could not be traced.
 
Catawba said:
I am asking you for your opinion on each of these bills:

We should continue to provide a tax break to companies when they ship jobs overseas? Not if the consequences of these actions included making it more difficult for American companies to compete in a world market. The US is not the only place on this planet that is worth anything.

We should not require all donors to political campaigns to reveal themselves? No, it violates a constitutional right to privacy. If you did this you would have to require everyone to present their votes publically.

We should not increase the military basic pay? No. http://militaryadvantage.military.com/2011/01/report-military-paid-more-than-federal-workers/ On a side note, it is a democrat that first tried to freeze military salary incrases in 2011
The CBO report, which was requested by Rep. Steny Hoyer (D-Md.), attempts to com*pare reg*u*lar mil*i*tary com*pen*sa*tion (base pay, basic allowance for sub*sis*tence, and basic allowance for hous*ing) with the fed*eral cash com*pen*sa*tion (salary and over*time).

Read more: http://militaryadvantage.military.c...paid-more-than-federal-workers/#ixzz1bC8pf1Sz
MilitaryAdvantage.Military.com
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We should not improve aural protection for members of the Armed Forces. Protection needs to be improved all around. The bill was not properly thought out, nor does the proper funding exist to make all of these top of the line improvements. Until a non-fantasy more obtainable plan is presented, this bill should have been blocked as it was. Wishful thinking is nice, but it has no value in reality.

We should not give LOCAL, community banks access to billions of dollars to loan to small businesses? No, this is not "fair" business practice. This would be like giving the fat kid 4 strikes in a little league game because he was not as good as the other players. It is a nice gesutre, but it makes as much sense as slowing down on the freeway to let just one person merge at the expense of the several mile long line of other poeple behind you. The rules are the rules and we all follow them regardless of our positions or excuses.

We should not make excess nonlethal supplies available for domestic emergency assistance? I don't think you fully understand what this means and you are simply reacting to a biased blog that appears at the top of google searches when you search any one of the questions above. Excess nonlethal supplies are already available for emergency assistance.... United States Code: Title 10,2557. Excess nonlethal supplies: availability for humanitarian relief, domestic emergency assistance, and homeless veterans assistance | LII / Legal Information Institute
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(my replies in bold above)

Now, maybe you won't mind answering why your posts always seem to be presented one sided and why you always feel that only one side is worth considering.
 
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Reg said:
Until Democrats controlled Congress in 2007, jobs created exceeded jobs lost.

The Department of the Interior, Department of Energy, and Environmental Protection Agency drive more jobs out of this country than the tax code.

But, I'll play along. The highest corporate tax in the world will surely cause employers to look elsewhere.
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Please tell us specifically what the Democrats did in 2007 and before that caused the US to start hemorrhaging jobs?
 
A one year bailout of public employee unions which my kids will still be paying taxes for in ten years is not a "jobs bill."
 
Catawba said:
Please tell us specifically what the Democrats did in 2007 and before that caused the US started hemorrhaging jobs?
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But we agree unemployement was in decline until Congress spent like drunken whores.
 
Catawba said:
No, you are misunderstanding the quote, both from a literal analysis of the statement, and in context with their support for blocking a bill that would reduce outsourcing.

The situation is already worse! We do not have enough jobs for our people because we continue to provide incentives for companies to move jobs overseas.

It may be good for the wealthy, who are only interested in their personal bottom line, but its not good for the working class who have been suffering from high unemployment for the last 5 years, or those graduating from college without jobs.
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And you think increasing taxes to operate businesses in America is not an incentive to move elsewhere? Making it easy for businesses to operate will make it easy for them to hire more people who will spend more money and keep the economy moving. Tax funded job programs cannot provide this kind of self sustaining motion.

Also, they are not giving special tax breaks to companies that outsource, they are just not taking away tax breaks from American based companies that also have operations that are outsourced. It seems like you don't fully understand the concept here.
 
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Catawba said:
Please tell us specifically what the Democrats did in 2007 and before that caused the US to start hemorrhaging jobs?
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I don't know if anyone can argue a specific concrete reason, but the numbers are pretty obvious....
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Smokified said:
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We should continue to provide a tax break to companies when they ship jobs overseas? Not if the consequences of these actions included making it more difficult for American companies to compete in a world market. The US is not the only place on this planet that is worth anything.
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If it doesn't benefit the middle class and our economy, I frankly don't care if someone doesn't get an edge on selling out his fellow countrymen. Of course if your concern is individual profits over what is best for the middle class, the GOP is your party for the job.

We should not require all donors to political campaigns to reveal themselves? No, it violates a constitutional right to privacy. If you did this you would have to require everyone to present their votes publically.
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How about the peoples right to a representative government. Again, people have a clear choice in the parties of which way they want to go.

We should not increase the military basic pay? No. http://militaryadvantage.military.co...deral-workers/ On a side note, it is a democrat that first tried to freeze military salary incrases in 2011
The CBO report, which was requested by Rep. Steny Hoyer (D-Md.), attempts to com*pare reg*u*lar mil*i*tary com*pen*sa*tion (base pay, basic allowance for sub*sis*tence, and basic allowance for hous*ing) with the fed*eral cash com*pen*sa*tion (salary and over*time).

Read more: http://militaryadvantage.military.co...#ixzz1bC8pf1Sz
MilitaryAdvantage.Military.com
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If he did, he was wrong to do so IMO, but why do you support the GOP blocking the 2011 increase for basic pay for the military?


We should not improve aural protection for members of the Armed Forces. Protection needs to be improved all around. The bill was not properly thought out, nor does the proper funding exist to make all of these top of the line improvements. Until a non-fantasy more obtainable plan is presented, this bill should have been blocked as it was. It is great to wish for
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So, its better to spend the money on the back end in veterans benefits to cover hearing damage?

We should not give LOCAL, community banks access to billions of dollars to loan to small businesses? No, this is not "fair" business practice. This would be like giving the fat kid 4 strikes in a little league game because he was not as good as the other players. It is a nice gesutre, but it makes as much sense as slowing down on the freeway to let just one person merge at the expense of the several mile long line of other poeple behind you. The rules are the rules and we all follow them regardless of our positions or excuses.
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Small businesses are the fat kid in little league? Really that is how you feel about them?

We should not make excess nonlethal supplies available for domestic emergency assistance? I don't think you fully understand what this means and you are simply reacting to a biased blog that appears at the top of google searches when you search any one of the questions above. Excess nonlethal supplies are already available for emergency assistance.... United States Code: Title 10,2557. Excess nonlethal supplies: availability for humanitarian relief, domestic emergency assistance, and homeless veterans assistance | LII / Legal Information Institute
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Did you notice the date. The supplies are available because it was passed, despite GOP efforts at blocking it.

Now, maybe you won't mind answering why your posts always seem to be presented one sided and why you always feel that only one side is worth considering.
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You are making the incorrect assumption that only one side has been considered :peace
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Reg said:
But we agree unemployement was in decline until Congress spent like drunken whores.
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Congress has been spending like drunken whores for the last 30 years, under both parties.
 
Smokified said:
I don't know if anyone can argue a specific concrete reason
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Right, because there isn't one. Its just like when Cain was being interviewed and was called on his often repeated talking point, that innovation is being stifled by overregulation, and the interviewer asked him to name one regulation that had stifled innovation, and he couldn't do it, Cain finally ended up saying he would have to get back to him on that.
 
hazlnut said:
The JOB-Killing GOP...

2012. Over.
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Actually the bill failed in the democrat controlled senate...maybe you should get your facts straight before you go out and vote.
 
Catawba said:
Right, because there isn't one. Its just like when Cain was being interviewed and was called on his often repeated talking point, that innovation is being stifled by overregulation, and the interviewer asked him to name one regulation that had stifled innovation, and he couldn't do it, Cain finally ended up saying he would have to get back to him on that.
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The point of my comment is that there is not one concrete reason that anyone can say is the sole responsibility for the jobs market crash AS YOU HAD ASKED FOR. Just because you ask some stupid question that has no real answer does not mean that you have won some sort of debate. Whatever the many reasons may be, as you could see from the chart I showed you, the jobs market went straight to hell from the onset of democrat control of congress. These were questions that YOU asked, and yet you choose to ignore the real answers when you are provided them? You are not here to "debate" anything, you are here to be a little prick that has no intention of having an open mind and learning anything. YOU are what is the problem with America to it's very core. YOU and all of the closed minded, willingly ignorant fools that plague our society. YOU are the one that is not interested in what is best for everyone, YOU are the one that is simply trying to "win". Pathetic.
 
hazlnut said:
The JOB-Killing GOP...

2012. Over.
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LOL, Stimulus 2 failed in the Senate just like Stimulus One failed after implemention. Anything Obama tells you, you buy. That just makes you look foolish and destroys credibility.
 
Smokified said:
Actually the bill failed in the democrat controlled senate...maybe you should get your facts straight before you go out and vote.
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How many Republicans voted for it? Republicans from high-unemployment states. You know, those with constituents that need job, need the bill, need their Reps to do the right thing and stop trying to play partisan game to get the black man out of the White house.

oops.... Nice fail, though.
 
Conservative said:
LOL, Stimulus 2 failed in the Senate just like Stimulus One failed after implemention. Anything Obama tells you, you buy. That just makes you look foolish and destroys credibility.
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LOL... Right...:roll::roll:

Do you ever bother to fact-check things you hear on Fox?
 
hazlnut said:
How many Republicans voted for it? Republicans from high-unemployment states. You know, those with constituents that need job, need the bill, need their Reps to do the right thing and stop trying to play partisan game to get the black man out of the White house.

oops.... Nice fail, though.
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Why would anyone vote for Stimulus 2? Any idea what happens when the Federal money runs out for those school teachers, fire fighters, and police? Do you have a clue as to whose responsibility those jobs belong to? It doesn't have a thing to do with the color of his skin, but the idiotic, micromanaging policies of thise incompetent.
 
hazlnut said:
LOL... Right...:roll::roll:

Do you ever bother to fact-check things you hear on Fox?
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Fact check this, 2.6 million net job loss, 4.2 trillion added to the debt, declining labor force, meager economic growth. Keep buying the Obama rhetoric.
 
Conservative said:
Fact check this, 2.6 million net job loss, 4.2 trillion added to the debt, declining labor force, meager economic growth. Keep buying the Obama rhetoric.
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You are talking about fact checking... Ironic.

You still haven't apologized for the blatant lie I caught you in a few pages back.
 
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