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Republicans block Obama jobs bill

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If I steal $100 from you, and then give you back $50, are you going to be grateful to me for being so generous as to have given you that $50?

Keep in mind that government cannot give anything to anyone without first taking it from someone.

Rather than giving money to the states for specific purposes, it would be better if the federal government didn't take that money from them in the first place. Rather than me giving you $50, wouldn't you much prefer that I not take the $100 from you?

So, lets run over your logic here. First you compared taxes to stealing, great choice of words. Then you proceeded to say that they aren't offering a service for the money you put in. Instead of said service, you proposed that they just give you some of your money back.
 
So, lets run over your logic here. First you compared taxes to stealing, great choice of words. Then you proceeded to say that they aren't offering a service for the money you put in. Instead of said service, you proposed that they just give you some of your money back.

Spoken like a true big govt. liberal/socialist. Name for me one socialist country that has been successful and where you have as many opportunities as you have here? what I find interesting is that you don't seem to understand the fact that we have local and state governments in addition to the Federal Govt. All levels of govt. are funded by tax dollars so when our tax dollars are sent to the Federal Govt. that is less money to the state and local governments where social problems are to be solved. What does a bureaucrat in D.C. know about a local problem in your community? That is why there is such waste, fraud, and abuse at the Federal level because of people like demanding a larger role by the Federal Govt. in local issues.
 
Spoken like a true big govt. liberal/socialist. Name for me one socialist country that has been successful and where you have as many opportunities as you have here? what I find interesting is that you don't seem to understand the fact that we have local and state governments in addition to the Federal Govt. All levels of govt. are funded by tax dollars so when our tax dollars are sent to the Federal Govt. that is less money to the state and local governments where social problems are to be solved. What does a bureaucrat in D.C. know about a local problem in your community? That is why there is such waste, fraud, and abuse at the Federal level because of people like demanding a larger role by the Federal Govt. in local issues.

The 18 Countries With a Better Credit Rating Than the United States | The Gateway Pundit

What does almost every country with a better credit rating then you have in common?

Universal Health Care for it's citizens.

More efficient and less expensive social safety nets for it's citizens...

And a generally more equitable society. And believe it or not even in these "Socialist" countries they still have very rich people, and still have very poor people.

And of course you're going to start blaming the loss of the AAA status on Obama only, and while he does share some of the blame Republicans also have their fair share.

A more equitable society leads to more prosperity and a more stable economy and society. The answer isn't big government or small government it's effective government.
 
The 18 Countries With a Better Credit Rating Than the United States | The Gateway Pundit

What does almost every country with a better credit rating then you have in common?

Universal Health Care for it's citizens.

More efficient and less expensive social safety nets for it's citizens...

And a generally more equitable society. And believe it or not even in these "Socialist" countries they still have very rich people, and still have very poor people.

And of course you're going to start blaming the loss of the AAA status on Obama only, and while he does share some of the blame Republicans also have their fair share.

A more equitable society leads to more prosperity and a more stable economy and society. The answer isn't big government or small government it's effective government.

LOL, ok, so National Healthcare makes these countries better than the U.S? Which of those countries has the geography, the fifty sovereign states, 310 million people, and the opportunities that this country has? This country wasn't built on the principles of those countries and most of those countries are having serious financial problems worse than the United States because they are more dependent on govt. services.

I love how liberals like you always see the grass greener on the other side.
 
LOL, ok, so National Healthcare makes these countries better than the U.S? Which of those countries has the geography, the fifty sovereign states, 310 million people, and the opportunities that this country has? This country wasn't built on the principles of those countries and most of those countries are having serious financial problems worse than the United States because they are more dependent on govt. services.

I love how liberals like you always see the grass greener on the other side.

North America - 32 people per square mile
South America - 73 people per square mile
Europe - 134 people per square mile (Some of these countries have universal healthcare, see Italy, they also have a 7.9 unemployment rate)
Asia - 203 people per square mile
Africa - 65 people per square mile
Australia - 6.4 people per square mile

Source:
Population Density

Universal health care - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Italy has a public health care service for all the residents called "Servizio Sanitario Nazionale" or SSN (National Health Service) which is similar to the UK National Health Service. It is publicly run and funded mostly from taxation: some services requires small co-pays, while other services (like the emergency medicine and the general doctor) are completely free of charge. Like the UK, there is a small parallel private health care system, especially in the field of Dental Medicine.


www.google.com/publicdataSource: Eurostat
7.9% of the labour force - Seasonally adjusted data - Aug 2011

If you would like more countries...

Oh look, they also have higher taxes on the rich % wise...

23% 0 - 15,000
27% 15,001-28,000
38% 28,001-55,00
41% 55,001-75,000
43% 75,001 and over

http://www.worldwide-tax.com/italy/italy_tax.asp
 
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North America - 32 people per square mile
South America - 73 people per square mile
Europe - 134 people per square mile (Some of these countries have universal healthcare, see Italy, they also have a 7.9 unemployment rate)
Asia - 203 people per square mile
Africa - 65 people per square mile
Australia - 6.4 people per square mile

Source:
Population Density

Universal health care - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




www.google.com/publicdataSource: Eurostat
7.9% of the labour force - Seasonally adjusted data - Aug 2011

If you would like more countries...

Oh look, they also have higher taxes on the rich % wise...



Italy Tax Laws Tax System 2011. - WorldWide-Tax.com

So you think the majority in this country want a European style socialist model and dissolve capitalism? You seem to love those countries so much have you ever visited one? None of those countries has the opportunities you have here or the ability to become one of those evil rich people that liberal/socialists love to hate.

I have to believe this is an act on your part, a school project, something that you are using as part of a class. Far too many have a lack of understanding of history and civics thus they don't understand what made this country great.
 
So you think the majority in this country want a European style socialist model and dissolve capitalism? You seem to love those countries so much have you ever visited one? None of those countries has the opportunities you have here or the ability to become one of those evil rich people that liberal/socialists love to hate.

I have to believe this is an act on your part, a school project, something that you are using as part of a class. Far too many have a lack of understanding of history and civics thus they don't understand what made this country great.

We already have a partial socialist system, we are merely asking for one more. I have visited Italy personally, and it was a great country. Lots of employed (Also, not to mention, the beggers actually work for their money).

BTW, strawman.
 
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And you were okay with 8 years of no new taxes to pay for two wars and an unfunded prescription drug program? Again, you guys act like the deficit only occurred since January 20, 2009. Get real!!!

I don't get this arguement. You are saying that since some were irresponsible it gives an excuse for you being irresponsible.
 
whatever, gill. 63% of americans want this bill passed, so republicans are being obstructionist and are NOT representing their constituency.

Wait a minute, what did democrats do then when they passed Obamacare when over 70% of the American public was against it? So its only the republicans that have to vote along the lines of the American people, not the demos? You were sure absent when Obamacare passed with almost 3 out of 4 Americans opposing it. Please give me links in this forum to your posts talking about the Demos not representing their constituency.

Thanks in advance.

Partisan hackery at it's finest.
 
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We already have a partial socialist system, we are merely asking for one more. I have visited Italy personally, and it was a great country. Lots of employed (Also, not to mention, the beggers actually work for their money).

BTW, strawman.

Italy is teetering in insolvency. They have all the higher and new taxes American socialists want, and it's not enough.
 
Wait a minute, what did democrats do then when they passed Obamacare when over 70% of the Missouri public was against it? So its only the republicans that have to vote along the lines of the American people, not the demos?

Gotcha. Partisan hackery at it's finest.

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Italy is teetering in insolvency. They have all the higher and new taxes American socialists want, and it's not enough.

Yes, could this be because they are lacking the one thing liberals want? That's right ladies and gentlemen, higher taxes on the rich.
 
Doing this is one of the cheapest forms of debate to the point it can't even be described as debate.

New to debating and people have done it to me, thanks for letting me know :).
 
Updated List of Bills The Republicans Have Blocked

"Here’s just a short list of some of the bills that Republicans have blocked, or attempted to block, since Obama became President:

Tax on Companies that ship jobs overseas- A bill that would have eliminated a tax break that companies get when they ship jobs overseas. Republicans blocked this, allowing companies to keep the tax break they receive when they ship jobs to other countries.

Political Ad disclosure bill- Would have required all donors to political campaigns to reveal themselves. Republicans blocked this, not once but twice.

Subpoena Power for the Committee investigating the BP Oil Spill – Give subpoena power to the independent committee responsible for investigating BP’s roll in the oil spill. Republicans attempted to block this.

The Small Business Jobs Act - would give LOCAL, community banks access to billions of dollars to loan to small businesses. Republicans blocked this, then attempted to block it a second time and failed.

The DREAM Act- Gives immigrant youth who were brought here as children a path to citizenship by earning a college degree or serving the military for 2 years. Republicans blocked this.


Here are just a few of the other blocked provisions, courtesy of Mother Jones.

No permanent military bases in Afghanistan.

Report identifying hybrid or electric propulsion systems and other fuel-saving technologies for incorporation into tactical motor vehicles.

Protection of child custody arrangements for parents who are members of the Armed Forces deployed in support of a contingency operation.

Improvements to Department of Defense domestic violence programs.

Department of Defense recognition of spouses of members of the Armed Forces.

Department of Defense recognition of children of members of the Armed Forces.

Enhancements to the Troops-to-Teachers Program.

Fiscal year 2011 increase in military basic pay.

Improving aural protection for members of the Armed Forces.

Comprehensive policy on neurocognitive assessment by the military health care system.

Authority to make excess nonlethal supplies available for domestic emergency assistance.

And those were just some of the progressive provisions. On the conservative side, there are these, and more:

Read more here: Updated List of Bills The Republicans Have Blocked | J.M. Bell

The next time someone tells you that the Republicans care about the American people just give them this list of all the bill Republicans wanted to fail."
 
Updated List of Bills The Republicans Have Blocked

"Here’s just a short list of some of the bills that Republicans have blocked, or attempted to block, since Obama became President:

Tax on Companies that ship jobs overseas- A bill that would have eliminated a tax break that companies get when they ship jobs overseas. Republicans blocked this, allowing companies to keep the tax break they receive when they ship jobs to other countries.

Political Ad disclosure bill- Would have required all donors to political campaigns to reveal themselves. Republicans blocked this, not once but twice.

Subpoena Power for the Committee investigating the BP Oil Spill – Give subpoena power to the independent committee responsible for investigating BP’s roll in the oil spill. Republicans attempted to block this.

The Small Business Jobs Act - would give LOCAL, community banks access to billions of dollars to loan to small businesses. Republicans blocked this, then attempted to block it a second time and failed.

The DREAM Act- Gives immigrant youth who were brought here as children a path to citizenship by earning a college degree or serving the military for 2 years. Republicans blocked this.


Here are just a few of the other blocked provisions, courtesy of Mother Jones.

No permanent military bases in Afghanistan.

Report identifying hybrid or electric propulsion systems and other fuel-saving technologies for incorporation into tactical motor vehicles.

Protection of child custody arrangements for parents who are members of the Armed Forces deployed in support of a contingency operation.

Improvements to Department of Defense domestic violence programs.

Department of Defense recognition of spouses of members of the Armed Forces.

Department of Defense recognition of children of members of the Armed Forces.

Enhancements to the Troops-to-Teachers Program.

Fiscal year 2011 increase in military basic pay.

Improving aural protection for members of the Armed Forces.

Comprehensive policy on neurocognitive assessment by the military health care system.

Authority to make excess nonlethal supplies available for domestic emergency assistance.

And those were just some of the progressive provisions. On the conservative side, there are these, and more:

Read more here: Updated List of Bills The Republicans Have Blocked | J.M. Bell

The next time someone tells you that the Republicans care about the American people just give them this list of all the bill Republicans wanted to fail."

Looks to me like more reasons to vote for the GOP in 2012 which is becoming more apparent. Obama's 2.6 million net job loss and his 4.2 trillion added to the debt doesn't foster a lot of electoral support except for the brainwashed. Your vision of a huge central govt. violates the vision of our Founders and just gives someone like you something else to complain about.
 
Seemingly young and inexperienced in addition to being New to debating and people have done it to me, thanks for letting me know :).
At least bold the parts you changed or added so they are clear to all.
 
Looks to me like more reasons to vote for the GOP in 2012 which is becoming more apparent. Obama's 2.6 million net job loss and his 4.2 trillion added to the debt doesn't foster a lot of electoral support except for the brainwashed. Your vision of a huge central govt. violates the vision of our Founders and just gives someone like you something else to complain about.

For the public record then, you think:

We should continue to provide a tax break to companies when they ship jobs overseas?

We should not require all donors to political campaigns to reveal themselves?

We should not increase the military basic pay?

We should not improve aural protection for members of the Armed Forces.

We should not give LOCAL, community banks access to billions of dollars to loan to small businesses?

We should not make excess nonlethal supplies available for domestic emergency assistance?
 
Making my kid pay ten years from now so Obama can bail out his political cronies in public employee unions for one year is not recovery.
 
Updated List of Bills The Republicans Have Blocked

"Here’s just a short list of some of the bills that Republicans have blocked, or attempted to block, since Obama became President:

Tax on Companies that ship jobs overseas- A bill that would have eliminated a tax break that companies get when they ship jobs overseas. Republicans blocked this, allowing companies to keep the tax break they receive when they ship jobs to other countries.

Political Ad disclosure bill- Would have required all donors to political campaigns to reveal themselves. Republicans blocked this, not once but twice.

Subpoena Power for the Committee investigating the BP Oil Spill – Give subpoena power to the independent committee responsible for investigating BP’s roll in the oil spill. Republicans attempted to block this.

The Small Business Jobs Act - would give LOCAL, community banks access to billions of dollars to loan to small businesses. Republicans blocked this, then attempted to block it a second time and failed.

The DREAM Act- Gives immigrant youth who were brought here as children a path to citizenship by earning a college degree or serving the military for 2 years. Republicans blocked this.


Here are just a few of the other blocked provisions, courtesy of Mother Jones.

No permanent military bases in Afghanistan.

Report identifying hybrid or electric propulsion systems and other fuel-saving technologies for incorporation into tactical motor vehicles.

Protection of child custody arrangements for parents who are members of the Armed Forces deployed in support of a contingency operation.

Improvements to Department of Defense domestic violence programs.

Department of Defense recognition of spouses of members of the Armed Forces.

Department of Defense recognition of children of members of the Armed Forces.

Enhancements to the Troops-to-Teachers Program.

Fiscal year 2011 increase in military basic pay.

Improving aural protection for members of the Armed Forces.

Comprehensive policy on neurocognitive assessment by the military health care system.

Authority to make excess nonlethal supplies available for domestic emergency assistance.

And those were just some of the progressive provisions. On the conservative side, there are these, and more:

Read more here: Updated List of Bills The Republicans Have Blocked | J.M. Bell

The next time someone tells you that the Republicans care about the American people just give them this list of all the bill Republicans wanted to fail."

You don't have any understanding of why these bills were blocked. For example, the first one"
The bill, argued the Chamber, would "significantly curtail [tax] deferral [of earnings], reversing longstanding tax policy and subjecting American worldwide companies to immediate double taxation on the earnings of their foreign subsidiaries. Limiting deferral would hinder the global competitiveness of these American companies, impede U.S. economic growth, and ultimately result in the loss of jobs - both at the companies directly impacted and companies in their supply chains."

GOP, U.S. Chamber Of Commerce Beat Back Bill To Combat Outsourcing

It is very easy to find information on both sides of the issue and draw an intelligent conclusion. You have done nothing of the sort here.
 
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You don't have any understanding of why these bills were blocked. For example, the first one"


GOP, U.S. Chamber Of Commerce Beat Back Bill To Combat Outsourcing

It is very easy to find information on both sides of the issue and draw an intelligent conclusion. You have done nothing of the sort here.

I have looked at both sides. I do not thinking outsourcing US jobs, benefits the middle class. The Chamber of Commerce promotes outsourcing of US jobs:

"The Chamber, which represents businesses in the United States, has aggressively battled the effort to reduce outsourcing."

This legislation would have eliminated the tax break only for companies that outsource US jobs and then turn around and import the products back to the US.

It is a very clear issue, those that agree with providing a tax break for companies that outsource jobs overseas should vote for the GOP.
 
For the public record then, you think:

We should continue to provide a tax break to companies when they ship jobs overseas?

We should not require all donors to political campaigns to reveal themselves?

We should not increase the military basic pay?

We should not improve aural protection for members of the Armed Forces.

We should not give LOCAL, community banks access to billions of dollars to loan to small businesses?

We should not make excess nonlethal supplies available for domestic emergency assistance?

I think taxes on business in this country are too high and the answer is to allow them to be competitive in the world markets and you won't have to worry about them taking jobs overseas.

Everything you have posted has another side which you continue to ignore. Give both sides of the issue and why those bills are being held up then we can have a discussion.
 
I have looked at both sides. I do not thinking outsourcing US jobs, benefits the middle class. The Chamber of Commerce promotes outsourcing of US jobs:

"The Chamber, which represents businesses in the United States, has aggressively battled the effort to reduce outsourcing."

This legislation would have eliminated the tax break only for companies that outsource US jobs and then turn around and import the products back to the US.

It is a very clear issue, those that agree with providing a tax break for companies that outsource jobs overseas should vote for the GOP.

"The Chamber, which represents businesses in the United States, has aggressively battled the effort to reduce outsourcing."

You're misunderstanding the context of this statement in the article. The point is that "The Chamber" that has consistently tried to reduce outsourcing still feels that the bill presented is not a proper solution, and that it will in fact interfere with the American companies competing in the World Market. Not all products in our stores are produced by American companies. The reality is that if the average American has the choice of purchasing an American made item or a less expensive yet equally as valuable foreign made item, they are going to choose the one that is less expensive in most cases. This creates a bad situation for our private sector corporations which in turn makes it harder for Americans to find jobs and increases our cost of living. If you then increase the operation costs of these companies even further, you will only make the situation worse.
 
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I think taxes on business in this country are too high and the answer is to allow them to be competitive in the world markets and you won't have to worry about them taking jobs overseas.

Everything you have posted has another side which you continue to ignore. Give both sides of the issue and why those bills are being held up then we can have a discussion.

I am asking you for your opinion on each of these bills:

We should continue to provide a tax break to companies when they ship jobs overseas?

We should not require all donors to political campaigns to reveal themselves?

We should not increase the military basic pay?

We should not improve aural protection for members of the Armed Forces.

We should not give LOCAL, community banks access to billions of dollars to loan to small businesses?

We should not make excess nonlethal supplies available for domestic emergency assistance?
 
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