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Republicans block Obama jobs bill

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Chappy said:
Once again conservatives in Congress demonstrate that they are a greater threat to the well being of the nation that bin Laden ever was.
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No, they are the only ones keeping Obama from spending this nation into collapse. Well, not the only ones...some Democrats have joined them.
 
Chappy said:
Once again conservatives in Congress demonstrate that they are a greater threat to the well being of the nation that bin Laden ever was.
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Hahahaha, silly girl.
 
AdamT said:
Or maybe how the Republicans voted actually IS the Republicans' fault! :roll:

It's becoming increasingly clear that the Republicans would be quite happy to see a double-dip recession if it means beating Obama in '12.
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Here is another twist. So your really saying its the peoples fault who voted the Repubs in office.
Seems the Dems are terrible in selling their ideas. Didn't a few Dems vote no on the job bill?

and yes, I hope Americans wake up enough to not vote for Obama. Four more years would do us in.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Conservatives prove yet again they don't want the economy to improve while Obama is president.

What's bad for America is good for Conservatives.
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Democrats run the Senate; you're being ridiculous.
 
I'm glad it was voted down. This is just another spending bill with the label of "job creation" smacked onto it. It's Democratic tactic to try and sensationalize a bill's name to make voters think it's really some magic thing that will fix everything. The facts are that we are in a spending crisis, and this bill wants to spend more money. It's nothing short of illogical partisanship to say Republicans are terrorists or that they hate America because they voted down this bill.
 
AdamT said:
This is one of those conservative canards that just won't die no matter how many times you point out it's falsity -- like "Al Gore claims he invented the internet."
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Well I don't see any Conservatives proving it was a "promise" and not an estimate so you must be right.
 
From Politico Fact Check:

"First, we could find no instance of anyone in the administration directly making such a public pledge. Rather, it comes via a Jan. 9, 2009, report called "The Job Impact of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan" from Christina Romer, chairwoman of the president's Council of Economic Advisers, and Jared Bernstein, the vice president's top economic adviser.

Their report projected that the stimulus plan proposed by Obama would create 3 million to 4 million jobs by the end of 2010. The report also included a chart predicting unemployment rates with and without the stimulus. Without the stimulus (the baseline), unemployment was projected to hit about 8.5 percent in 2009 and then continue rising to a peak of about 9 percent in 2010. With the stimulus, they predicted the unemployment rate would peak at just under 8 percent in 2009.

As Will rightly noted, it went higher. The unemployment rate peaked around 10 percent in late 2009 and is now around 9.5 percent. And Will is also right that the cost of the stimulus rose dramatically.

But what we saw from the administration in January 2009 was a projection, not a promise. And it was a projection that came with heavy disclaimers."

With that said, I wish we had got something for just short of a trillion dollars.

How about solar panels on all homes? How many solar panels and jobs are created for a trillion dollars?
 
American said:
Democrats run the Senate; you're being ridiculous.
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And without 60 Democrats in the Senate, exactly how are they to get bills passed that Republicans filibuster? The bill had enough Democrats voting for it to pass. Passage was blocked by Republicans, the party of "no," that doesn't want economic relief to come until Obama is out of office.
 
Blue_State said:
... With that said, I wish we had got something for just short of a trillion dollars.

How about solar panels on all homes? How many solar panels and jobs are created for a trillion dollars?
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At least the near trillion dollars was spent in the U.S.. What did we get for the trillion+ dollars we spent invading Iraq to hunt for WMD that weren't there?
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
And without 60 Democrats in the Senate, exactly how are they to get bills passed that Republicans filibuster? The bill had enough Democrats voting for it to pass. Passage was blocked by Republicans, the party of "no," that doesn't want economic relief to come until Obama is out of office.
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Did 100% of the Dems vote for it? How supportive was Reid? The Dems know this is a POS because it raises taxes and some of these Dems Senators are up for reelection.
 
American said:
Did 100% of the Dems vote for it?
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Why on Earth would that matter? All but 3 did. Even if those three voted for it, it still wouldn't have defeated the Republicans' filibuster. But more importantly, 50 Democrats voted for cloture, meaning the bill would have passed had it not been blocked by Republcan's.

There's no way you can pin the blockage of this jobs bill on Democrats. Your point is rendered as the red-herring it was intended to be.

American said:
How supportive was Reid? The Dems know this is a POS because it raises taxes and some of these Dems Senators are up for reelection.
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Apparently not very. But that's irrelevant since the bill would have passed anyway even without his vote.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
I asked to see where a promise was made, not where Romer regrets saying it.

I don't see a promise there ... What I do see Christina Romer saying in the report she published:


"It should be understood that all of the estimates presented in this memo are subject to significant margins of error. There is the obvious uncertainty that comes from modeling a hypothetical package rather than the final legislation passed by the Congress. But, there is the more fundamental uncertainty that comes with any estimate of the effects of a program. Our estimates of economic relationships and rules of thumb are derived from historical experience and so will not apply exactly in any given episode. Furthermore, the uncertainty is surely higher than normal now because the current recession is unusual both in its fundamental causes and its severity." ~ Christina Romer​


That's not a promise ... that's an estimate.
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LOL, no, you just want to bitch.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Why on Earth would that matter? All but 3 did. Even if those three voted for it, it still wouldn't have defeated the Republicans' filibuster. But more importantly, 50 Democrats voted for cloture, meaning the bill would have passed had it not been blocked by Republcan's.

There's no way you can pin the blockage of this jobs bill on Democrats. Your point is rendered as the red-herring it was intended to be.


Apparently not very. But that's irrelevant since the bill would have passed anyway even without his vote.
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You can give both the Dems (the smart one any way) and the Repubs shared credit for doing the right thing and blocking the bill.
 
ksu_aviator said:
You can give both the Dems (the smart one any way) and the Repubs shared credit for doing the right thing and blocking the bill.
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Really? Who do you think initiated the filibuster?
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Really? Who do you think initiated the filibuster?
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Irrelevant.

Democratic support for the bill wavered this week, as several Democrats said they would vote for moving the bill forward, but against the bill itself.


The Dems did not support this bill.
 
1Perry said:
LOL, no, you just want to bitch.
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I didn't realize asking people to prove what they claim is "bitching." Thanks for the tip anyway. :roll:
 
1Perry said:
Irrelevant.

Democratic support for the bill wavered this week, as several Democrats said they would vote for moving the bill forward, but against the bill itself.


The Dems did not support this bill.
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Ummm, 50 Democrats voted for it. The bill would have passed in the Senate if not for the Republicans blocking it with a filibuster.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
At least the near trillion dollars was spent in the U.S.. What did we get for the trillion+ dollars we spent invading Iraq to hunt for WMD that weren't there?
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Or the billions of dollars we spent bombing/liberating the following:
Afghanistan 2001 - Present
Libya 2011 - Present
Iraq 2003 - Present
Palestine 2010
Yemen 2009 - Present
Somolia 2010 - Present

I am sure there are a few unknowns on this list as well.

Not to mention we have troops worldwide. Pull them back. Let them rest. Let's stop warmongering.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Really? Who do you think initiated the filibuster?
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Does it matter? Two Democrats voted with Republicans, so those two get shared credit for doing the right thing.
 
ksu_aviator said:
Does it matter? Two Democrats voted with Republicans, so those two get shared credit for doing the right thing.
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Of course it matters since had Republicans not initiated the filibuster, it would have passed in the Senate. There is absolutely no rational way you blame Democrats for Obama's jobs bill to die in the Senate.

Republicans are now on record for blocking it.
 
1Perry said:
Irrelevant.

Democratic support for the bill wavered this week, as several Democrats said they would vote for moving the bill forward, but against the bill itself.




The Dems did not support this bill.
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You should confuse reality with the liberals fairy tales. What you wrote is dead on accurate. Had the actual bill been up for a vote, BO and Reid's POS bill would not have received 48 votes in favor.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Ummm, 50 Democrats voted for it. The bill would have passed in the Senate if not for the Republicans blocking it with a filibuster.
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it is readily apparent you do not have a clue how the senate functions.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Of course it matters since had Republicans not initiated the filibuster, it would have passed in the Senate. There is absolutely no rational way you blame Democrats for Obama's jobs bill to die in the Senate.

Republicans are now on record for blocking it.
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So what, I think they planned to be on record all along. Apparently only you thinks this is something noteworthy.
 
ksu_aviator said:
You can give both the Dems (the smart one any way) and the Repubs shared credit for doing the right thing and blocking the bill.
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BO finally got a bipartisan vote ...... Republicans and democrats came to together and gave a thumbs down to BO's plan. Way to go BO.
 
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