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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yes, you were wrong, now prove that the numbers I posted aren't at the sites I gave you. Let me help you here are the GDP numbers posted at bea.gov

    Table 1.1.1. Percent Change From Preceding Period in Real Gross Domestic Product


    [Percent] Seasonally adjusted at annual rates
    Bureau of Economic Analysis
    Last Revised on: July 29, 2011 - Next Release Date August 26, 2011

    First qtr 2011 .4%
    2nd Qtr 2011 1.3%
    Ya know the more you post these selective facts and the more I looked into it. The more I think the recovery from where the current administration started is actually pretty impressive esp. considering the political climate. And I also think we need to reverse the 678 billion dollar unfunded Bush jobs plan from 2003.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    What? No, I posted historical context to your numbers. You do realize that you took each category of data, picked one nice round number that you liked, and posted it up. So yeah, you have 6 real statistics there, but you don't realize that they are meaningless until you attach meaning to them. You have no context. Ok, 25 million are unemployed, how many were unemployed when he took office? Which way was employment trending when he took office? GDP, what was it when he took office and which way was it trending when he took office? What is the average GDP growth in normal eras and eras of recession?

    That's using data. You aren't using data, you cherry picked 5-6 statistics and posted them up with a smug look on your face.
    You can look at the site and get those numbers, but just to help you out

    Total U-6-14.1% X 154 million vs 16.5% today X 154 million

    2009 14.1 15.0 15.6 15.8 16.4 16.6 16.5 16.8 17.0 17.4 17.1 17.2
    2010 16.5 16.8 16.8 17.0 16.5 16.5 16.5 16.7 17.1 17.0 17.0 16.7
    2011 16.1 15.9 15.7 15.9 15.8 16.2 16.1 16.2 16.5

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Ya know the more you post these selective facts and the more I looked into it. The more I think the recovery from where the current administration started is actually pretty impressive esp. considering the political climate. And I also think we need to reverse the 678 billion dollar unfunded Bush jobs plan from 2003.
    Of course you do, wonder why the voters don't with a JAR of 39%. Probably has something to do with the 25 million unemployed/under employed as well as very poor GDP after spending trillions. Then again I have seen no evidence that you have any common sense at all

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Ya know the more you post these selective facts and the more I looked into it. The more I think the recovery from where the current administration started is actually pretty impressive esp. considering the political climate. And I also think we need to reverse the 678 billion dollar unfunded Bush jobs plan from 2003.
    Me too man. Just for ****s, I just took the mean of GDP growth during the Bush era and Obama era, and I couldn't believe that Obama actually has grown GDP more effectively than Bush during one of our worst economic periods. That's really impressive.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    But those are wayyyy up from the previous years. You conveniently leave that out. Again, even during one of the worst recessions since the Great Depression, Obama has had better a better mean GDP growth per year than Bush did over his entire 8 year tenure. I showed you those numbers a few pages back.
    Doubt many people will be voting for Bush in Nov. 2012 and it really is amazing that you have such disdain for Bush and believe he was lousy that you would compare Obama to Bush yet ignore that Obama has higher unemployment, fewer employed, a higher misery index, higher debt than Bush ever had.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Conservative, you really should take a look at this site:

    Data analysis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    What? No, I posted historical context to your numbers. You do realize that you took each category of data, picked one nice round number that you liked, and posted it up. So yeah, you have 6 real statistics there, but you don't realize that they are meaningless until you attach meaning to them. You have no context. Ok, 25 million are unemployed, how many were unemployed when he took office? Which way was employment trending when he took office? GDP, what was it when he took office and which way was it trending when he took office? What is the average GDP growth in normal eras and eras of recession?

    That's using data. You aren't using data, you cherry picked 5-6 statistics and posted them up with a smug look on your face.
    I can see 25 million unemployed and under employed Americans standing up and cheering your historical data. I can see the taxpayers standing up and cheering as well the debt service and I can see all Americans standing up and cheering the rising misery index. Oh, wait, that would be the 39% of the people that approve of the job he has done which probably includes you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Conservative, you really should take a look at this site:

    Data analysis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Tell that to the voters especially the 25 million unemployed and under employed Americans, the highest number since BLS has been in place.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Doubt many people will be voting for Bush in Nov. 2012 and it really is amazing that you have such disdain for Bush and believe he was lousy that you would compare Obama to Bush yet ignore that Obama has higher unemployment, fewer employed, a higher misery index, higher debt than Bush ever had.
    No, but be honest, if it was Bush vs Obama, you'd still vote Bush because you are a hack. And of course unemployment is higher during Obama's term, we're in a god damn recession! A deep recession at that. Bush had 7 years of a fairly decent economy, and it all went to hell in his last year. To be honest, I don't even blame him for it, because I am not a hack and I know there was little he could do about it. But this nonsense where you just post up random numbers is pathetic. It's embarrassing for you, I hate to say. Notice not one other conservative member is even touching this with a ten foot pole. You've killed the argument by making it so outrageous and factually wrong that no one else wants a part of it.

    Instead, this thread has boiled down to about five people teaching you how to read and understand statistics, but to no avail.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I can see 25 million unemployed and under employed Americans standing up and cheering your historical data. I can see the taxpayers standing up and cheering as well the debt service and I can see all Americans standing up and cheering the rising misery index. Oh, wait, that would be the 39% of the people that approve of the job he has done which probably includes you.
    Did I ever say the economy was good? They have nothing to cheer for in my data. In fact, the data I posted showed a horrible economic failure for the late part of 2008 and almost all of 2009, and a gentle recovery has begun ever since. The only thing to cheer is that it does look like the bottom was hit in 2009, but we still have a long, arduous road ahead of us.
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Of course you do, wonder why the voters don't with a JAR of 39%.
    YAY an appeal to popularity. Using your method here Lady Gaga, Brittany Spears, The Macarana and even the Archies are great because all at one time enjoyed immense popularity!

    Probably has something to do with the 25 million unemployed/under employed as well as very poor GDP after spending trillions. Then again I have seen no evidence that you have any common sense at all
    Bad Obama for getting the economy to the + side of GDP and stemming the flow of job losses that at one time were 750k per mnth, bad Obama!

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