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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Yes. The states need to get their acts together. As long as there are liberals there will be increasing misery.
    Strawman

    Do you not understand that if there are more poor people there is less tax revenue in an area? Do you not understand that the rich provide majority of the social services, which they deserve to pay. So, if you have a bunch of poor people paying a low amount of money, how do you propose the children get an education? Lets remember, a child's job is to go to school, his job isn't to be a politician, his job isn't to pay taxes, he didn't screw up in life by not going to college. Again, the only way for these low income states to have proper schools is a federal tax. You don't want to admit this because that would mean we NEED a federal income tax.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    Obama got more. Why do you think that is?
    because he got the most benefit from Wall Street with Larry Summer and Tim Geithner in his Administration?

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    because he got the most benefit from Wall Street with Larry Summer and Tim Geithner in his Administration?
    or, when he was still running on his Liberal platform, big business was scared regulation would be brought back. That, and Wall St wants to control both parties (not that they don't already)
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    So you think that states that have more poor people living in them should get less funding (because they generate less tax revenue)?
    Now you invoke the second ‘standard Liberal tactic’, misdirection. This conversation was based on economy/income. To infer more poor people suggests that you assume some theoretical demographic knowledge of said ‘state’. Is your reference to those ‘poor people’ who have cable/satellite TV, xbox, etc.? Surely if those comforts are available to them there are sufficient resources (economy) to support local school funding. I mean really, what is the priority here education or comforts?

    Consider this do poverty statistics typically account for regional cost of living differences? How about city/urban/rural considerations? Do you think these affect the cost of schooling? Does re-apportionment address these adequately? Are resources lost to the ‘administration’ of this ‘forced re-apportionment’ not depriving the real goal, education?

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    Who should Wall St have feared more: the Progressive or the Conservative?
    Actually both (or neither). The references below are considered the deregulation issues over the last 30 years that collectively created the crisis. Note the WH/Congress party majority at the end of each line.

    Depository Institutions Deregulation and Monetary Control Act of 1980 – Pres-Dem/Sen-Dem/House-Dem
    Garn–St. Germain Depository Institutions Act of 1982 - Pres-GOP/Sen-GOP/House-Dem
    Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act of 1999 - Pres-Dem/Sen-GOP/House-GOP
    Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000 (deregulated derivatives) - Pres-Dem/Sen-GOP/House- GOP
    SEC ‘net capital rule modifications’ in 2004 - Pres-GOP/Sen-GOP /House-GOP

    Note how diverse the players were.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Now you invoke the second ‘standard Liberal tactic’, misdirection. This conversation was based on economy/income. To infer more poor people suggests that you assume some theoretical demographic knowledge of said ‘state’. Is your reference to those ‘poor people’ who have cable/satellite TV, xbox, etc.? Surely if those comforts are available to them there are sufficient resources (economy) to support local school funding. I mean real what is the priority here education or comforts?

    Consider this do poverty statistics typically account for regional cost of living differences? How about city/urban/rural considerations? Do you think these affect the cost of schooling? Does re-apportionment address these adequately? Are resources lost to the ‘administration’ of this ‘forced re-apportionment’ not depriving the real goal, education?
    Well we know what is SHOULD be but is it? Is it really?
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Strawman

    Do you not understand that if there are more poor people there is less tax revenue in an area? Do you not understand that the rich provide majority of the social services, which they deserve to pay. So, if you have a bunch of poor people paying a low amount of money, how do you propose the children get an education? Lets remember, a child's job is to go to school, his job isn't to be a politician, his job isn't to pay taxes, he didn't screw up in life by not going to college. Again, the only way for these low income states to have proper schools is a federal tax. You don't want to admit this because that would mean we NEED a federal income tax.
    First the majority of ‘poor people’ are typically ‘poor’ as they are at the beginnings of their career (graduate high school). As they progress in age there income increases to above the poverty line and a new HS class move into their place which is why the poverty line never moves much. Think above it, most kids that enter the work force do not enter with salaries above the poverty line hence the description ‘entry level’. With this increase in income they become more able to provide resources into the local (county/state) economy via property, auto and sales tax. It is these taxes that should support local education. And they are the ones that should be adjusted to account for educational funding shortfalls.

    As to your ‘rich…deserve to pay’ comment I will leave it to others.

    No, a child’s job is to LEARN! Just being in school is not enough and if you didn’t know that ergo my point.

    To be sure we NEED a federal income tax to provide resources for those services specifically delineated in the US Constitution. These include NATIONAL defense, NATIONAL government expenses and FEDERAL court system. There is no FEDERAL education system hence the funds for such are not required.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    The responsibility for K-12 education rests with the states under the Constitution. There is also a compelling national interest in the quality of the nation's public schools. Therefore, the federal government, through the legislative process, provides assistance to the states and schools in an effort to supplement, not supplant, state support. The primary source of federal K-12 support began in 1965 with the enactment of the Elementary and Secondary Education Act (ESEA).
    Annual Secondary Education Expenditures per Student

    ESEA authorizes grants for elementary and secondary school programs for children of low-income families; school library resources, textbooks and other instructional materials; supplemental education centers and services; strengthening state education agencies; education research; and professional development for teachers.
    This explicitly says why we should have federal funding for state run public schools.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

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    This explicitly says why we should have federal funding for state run public schools.
    The responsibility for K-12 education rests with the states under the Constitution and that includes funding

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The responsibility for K-12 education rests with the states under the Constitution and that includes funding
    Why am I finding myself linking you to my previous post you just responded too?


    ESEA authorizes grants for elementary and secondary school programs for children of low-income families; school library resources, textbooks and other instructional materials; supplemental education centers and services; strengthening state education agencies; education research; and professional development for teachers.

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