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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    So we should be negligent? Just tell 'em "Sorry bud, need to cut that federal spending."
    Wait... bridge construction is regulated isn't it? Aren't bridges supposed to be inspected and the plans and construction "sound" both before during and after construction? If so, (and I'm pretty sure I'm right), how did such a poorly engineered bridge pass all these inspections?

    To answer your question - the funding for the bridge should be left up to the state. If the state has no money, yes --- "Sorry bud, no money" is the answer. Close the road, divert traffic, and put the bridge reconstruction on the list of things for the future. Why are federal dollars needed here again? Shovel ready jobs? No... that didn't work already, twice. I'd be more interested in finding out how such a poorly designed and constructed bridge was inspected and who let such a bridge be used by the public given such harm could befall that public.
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Huh... so you're saying Republican AND Democrats are letting our bridges and roads crumble away? Funny thing though... travelled 2 hours each way yesterday and both the NJ Turpike and Garden State Parkway had literally 5-20 miles of construction, Router 287 too. I mean, it's like the Federal Government decided to fund reconstruction by printing more money and sending it to the states for shovel rea.... oh wait.
    I was providing a sarcastic answer, and probably should have made it more obvious. Back with Stimulus, we heard the same nonsense from Obama and the libs, with all the "shovel ready" and "infrastructure" claims. Its all hocus-pocus.

    Like you, while I can always find a road that needs minor repair, we have budgets for such that rise and fall with revenue. To claim, as Obama has, that we have a crisis of bad roads and bridges is the stuff of liberal make-work stupidity.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    It was indeed a presidential re-election bill.
    It was more than that. This is an attempt to make jobs an issue for Republicans in 2012 as well. I accuse Republicans a lot of putting party before country, because they do. And so do Democrats, and this is a perfect example of the politicization of an issue for the purposes of an election. When the hell are people going to realize that our 2 major parties don't give a damn about anything except their own party? Patriots, my ass. That applies to Democrats and Republicans both.
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Wait... bridge construction is regulated isn't it? Aren't bridges supposed to be inspected and the plans and construction "sound" both before during and after construction? If so, (and I'm pretty sure I'm right), how did such a poorly engineered bridge pass all these inspections?

    To answer your question - the funding for the bridge should be left up to the state. If the state has no money, yes --- "Sorry bud, no money" is the answer. Close the road, divert traffic, and put the bridge reconstruction on the list of things for the future. Why are federal dollars needed here again? Shovel ready jobs? No... that didn't work already, twice. I'd be more interested in finding out how such a poorly designed and constructed bridge was inspected and who let such a bridge be used by the public given such harm could befall that public.
    Would you like to subsidize states' bridge construction? And if the people need the bridge to get to their jobs, homes, etc what do we tell them?

    Oh -- and maybe the construction company paid off the inspector so they could save money on materials and maximize profits
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    Would you like to subsidize states' bridge construction?
    No.

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    And if the people need the bridge to get to their jobs, homes, etc what do we tell them
    Then the government has to utilize the existing tax money revenue to fund the bridge. If there is not enough funds, either cuts have to be made to redirect the existing funds, or if the people need the bridge that badly, tax revenues have to be increased to pay for the bridge. It's pretty simple actually.

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    Oh -- and maybe the construction company paid off the inspector so they could save money on materials and maximize profits
    Could be, but then isn't it still the responsibility of the government official who was bribed to be held accountable for the damage and loss of property and life? You don't get it though - I don't care who's responsible politically... if they did wrong they should be strung up. The construction company, the unions that back the construction company, the person making the bribe, the government official(s) receiving the bribe, the inspectors who looked the other way after the bridge was finished.


    But back to the point - if it's a new bridge the people want, the people have to pay for it. They should also make sure that those involved are investigated and if any wrong doing was actually done, that those people are held accountable.
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    And without 60 Democrats in the Senate, exactly how are they to get bills passed that Republicans filibuster? The bill had enough Democrats voting for it to pass. Passage was blocked by Republicans, the party of "no," that doesn't want economic relief to come until Obama is out of office.
    Was it not Reid who change the Obama bill? seems he said "no" to Obama's plan.

    So for you all bills must be approved down party lines. Care to explain why two dems voted it down. If it was a good bill, some repubs would most likely vote for it.
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    There is support from the business world for this Jobs plan:

    The American Small Business Chamber™ of Commerce Calls for Passage of The American Jobs Act of 2011

    "America's small businesses can't wait.

    We need investments in business growth and consumer demand now to drive Main Street business growth and job creation.

    WASHINGTON, Oct. 11, 2011 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The American Small Business Chamber of Commerce™ (The American Small Business Chamber of Commerce) calls for the immediate passage of The American Jobs Act of 2011 and continued actions to build a business climate in which America's small businesses can thrive and fuel job creation."



    "U.S. Women's Chamber of Commerce Supports The American Jobs Act of 2011; Calls for Immediate Action

    "As women and small business owners face losses in demand and jobs, it is imperative that Congress acts now to spur consumer spending, investments in business growth and job creation.

    WASHINGTON, Oct. 11, 2011 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Today, the U.S. Women's Chamber of Commerce(TM) (uswcc.org), representing over 500,000 members from all across America, lends full support for The American Jobs Act of 2011 and calls upon Congress to quickly pass this legislation that will drive much needed growth and job creation in America."
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    There is support from the business world for this Jobs plan:

    The American Small Business Chamber™ of Commerce Calls for Passage of The American Jobs Act of 2011

    "America's small businesses can't wait.

    We need investments in business growth and consumer demand now to drive Main Street business growth and job creation.

    WASHINGTON, Oct. 11, 2011 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The American Small Business Chamber of Commerce™ (The American Small Business Chamber of Commerce) calls for the immediate passage of The American Jobs Act of 2011 and continued actions to build a business climate in which America's small businesses can thrive and fuel job creation."



    "U.S. Women's Chamber of Commerce Supports The American Jobs Act of 2011; Calls for Immediate Action

    "As women and small business owners face losses in demand and jobs, it is imperative that Congress acts now to spur consumer spending, investments in business growth and job creation.

    WASHINGTON, Oct. 11, 2011 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Today, the U.S. Women's Chamber of Commerce(TM) (uswcc.org), representing over 500,000 members from all across America, lends full support for The American Jobs Act of 2011 and calls upon Congress to quickly pass this legislation that will drive much needed growth and job creation in America."
    There's "The US Chamber of Commerce", and then there's these Mickey Mouse organizations that aren't worth a flip.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    There's "The US Chamber of Commerce", and then there's these Mickey Mouse organizations that aren't worth a flip.
    Not a fan of small businesses or businesses owned by women eh?
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    True to form, Obama set out to deceive voters by calling this second stimulus bill a jobs bill. Were he an honest man he would have told voters all the jobs he proposed to create were temporary jobs that would disappear as soon as this new stimulus money ran out, just as all the jobs created by his first stimulus bill disappeared when that money ran out.

    The difference between Obama and the Republicans who voted down this new Obamascam is that Obama has absolutely no strategy for turning the economy around and only offers these stimulus bills which do nothing to stimulate private investment that would create long term jobs while the Republicans are focused on stimulating long term growth by, in part, reducing costly regulations and taxes and repatriating foreign profits of US firms so that money is available to be invested here in the US.

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