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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

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    So because he didn't go completely communist, you think he was too soft?

    Because he snuggled up to wall st. while placing increasing regulation end running congress, destroying the very people that gave him the most money for his election is being friendly?

    With friends like him...you know the rest.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

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    Helping others is a good thing, and you are welcome to send all of your money to those people.
    Bit of hyperbole, eh? Nobody ever said ALL the money.
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

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    What Objective Voice doesn't seem to understand is the role of the Local, State, and Federal Govt. and has a naive approach to funding local services. OV will not address the issue as to why it is someone else from another state to fund police, fire, and teachers in another state other than the belief it is the right thing to do. Wonder who is going to bail OV out when financial problems arise? Makes absolutely no sense for the Federal Govt. to spend money in a state or local community until that state or local community tries to get themselves out of their financial problems. Sounds like a very naive and young approach to problem solving.
    He answered the question. May not have been an answer you liked, but he did answer it. And for the record, he bails himself out when financial problems arise, one has nothing to do with his opinion on the other.

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    He answered the question. May not have been an answer you liked, but he did answer it. And for the record, he bails himself out when financial problems arise, one has nothing to do with his opinion on the other.
    How do you feel about the answer? Do you believe it is your responsibility to fund police, fire fighters, teachers in Boise, Idaho? That is the point, those are state responsibility issues not the Federal Govt. for once the Federal Govt. money ends who picks up the payments? If the states are going to pick up the payments down the road, why not now and use the money to lower the deficit? Govt. doesn't create jobs, it creates the atmosphere for the private sector to create the jobs. Liberals seem to miss that reality.

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    How do you feel about the answer? Do you believe it is your responsibility to fund police, fire fighters, teachers in Boise, Idaho? That is the point, those are state responsibility issues not the Federal Govt. for once the Federal Govt. money ends who picks up the payments? If the states are going to pick up the payments down the road, why not now and use the money to lower the deficit? Govt. doesn't create jobs, it creates the atmosphere for the private sector to create the jobs. Liberals seem to miss that reality.
    Doesnt really matter what my opinion on it is. I can see points on both sides. Im just sayin dont say someone is refusing to answer a question, when they certainly did, you just didnt like his answer... and thats ok too. Obviously, the two of you are never going to agree or change each others minds about anything.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by BamaBrat View Post
    Doesnt really matter what my opinion on it is. I can see points on both sides. Im just sayin dont say someone is refusing to answer a question, when they certainly did, you just didnt like his answer... and thats ok too. Obviously, the two of you are never going to agree or change each others minds about anything.
    So what is it about the position of Federalism that you support? Do you really believe it is the responsibility of the FEDERAL taxpayer to fund local police, fire fighters, and teachers? What is the role of the state if that is your position? How do you feel about not knowing where your taxdollars are going?

    We currently have a 14.8 trillion dollar debt because of massive Federal Spending and massive expansion of the Federal Govt. Is that the role of the Federal Govt?

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    You're asking the wrong question. The right question is, did the stimulus significantly reduce unemployment *relative to where it would have been without the stimulus*, and to that most economists say aye.

    We are not going to be at full employment any time soon, that is for sure. Again -- wrong question. The objective now is to prevent a double dip recession and/or a decade of more of economic stagnation. The cost will be high, but not as high as the cost of doing nothing.
    How do you know where it would be without the stimulus? Pure speculation! What we do know is where unemployment is WITH the stimulus and anyone that believes spending a trillion dollars to get these numbers is a good thing is out of touch with reality.

    You continue to believe what this Administration tells you and the question is why? They have yet to be right on any economic prediction

    How can the "smartest man" ever to hold the office of the Presidency WITH a Democrat Congress in overwhelming numbers generate these kind of results and get a pass? Seems you have a lot of patience for Obama where you have none with a Republican as you continue to point out the Bush performance for a few months of 2008 as an overwhelming indictment of his Administration as you ignore that he had a net job gain and had a GDP the grew at 4.5 trillion dollars in those 8 years.

    What is it about liberalism that creates this kind of blind loyalty?

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

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    So what is it about the position of Federalism that you support? Do you really believe it is the responsibility of the FEDERAL taxpayer to fund local police, fire fighters, and teachers? What is the role of the state if that is your position? How do you feel about not knowing where your taxdollars are going?

    We currently have a 14.8 trillion dollar debt because of massive Federal Spending and massive expansion of the Federal Govt. Is that the role of the Federal Govt?
    It pisses me off that the federal taxpayer is being asked to fund other states local police, fire fighters and teachers. A lot of things piss me off about our federal govt and state govts. Having said that, being a citzen of the "United States", we also have responsibilities to other states than are own. We all may live in different states, but we should all care about what happens in our country as a whole (and our people as a whole)... otherwise, I think that you should just go ahead and make each state an individual country and get it over with. I dont know... like I said, I can see both sides points of view. Funding of police in one state, whether we like it or not, affects other states in some ways as well. If Georgia has really strong immigration laws and are enforcing them and illegals are scared and running so they dont get sent back to their own country, they just hop on over to Alabama. If Alabama doesnt have the police force to handle them, that affects us and every other state around us. (maybe a bad example, but whatever). Fire fighters cross state lines all the time to help other states when they need help. If Alabama has a huge fire that we just dont have the people to handle and we need Georgias help... well we better hope Georgia has the money to pay their firefighters. Teachers affect all of us... We have a responsibility to make sure that our country has the brightest and strongest minds ever so that we can compete in this world, so we can lead instead of falling behind all these other countries in everything. I dont know, there has to be a happy medium somewhere.

    I do agree that it really doenst make any sense to just keep these folks for this year and then next year we are in the same damn boat. I think you can have short term fixes, but if you dont have long term answers for this and a host of other issues, were just spinning our wheels.
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by BamaBrat View Post
    It pisses me off that the federal taxpayer is being asked to fund other states local police, fire fighters and teachers. A lot of things piss me off about our federal govt and state govts. Having said that, being a citzen of the "United States", we also have responsibilities to other states than are own. We all may live in different states, but we should all care about what happens in our country as a whole (and our people as a whole)... otherwise, I think that you should just go ahead and make each state an individual country and get it over with. I dont know... like I said, I can see both sides points of view. Funding of police in one state, whether we like it or not, affects other states in some ways as well. If Georgia has really strong immigration laws and are enforcing them and illegals are scared and running so they dont get sent back to their own country, they just hop on over to Alabama. If Alabama doesnt have the police force to handle them, that affects us and every other state around us. (maybe a bad example, but whatever). Fire fighters cross state lines all the time to help other states when they need help. If Alabama has a huge fire that we just dont have the people to handle and we need Georgias help... well we better hope Georgia has the money to pay their firefighters. Teachers affect all of us... We have a responsibility to make sure that our country has the brightest and strongest minds ever so that we can compete in this world, so we can lead instead of falling behind all these other countries in everything. I dont know, there has to be a happy medium somewhere.

    I do agree that it really doenst make any sense to just keep these folks for this year and then next year we are in the same damn boat. I think you can have short term fixes, but if you dont have long term answers for this and a host of other issues, were just spinning our wheels.
    As a Citizen of the United States you have the right to be protected under the Constitution, not the obligation to forceably send your tax dollars to the govt. so they can spend them on other state local issues. Why do you buy that the Federal Govt. which is in debt to the tune of almost 15 trillion dollars knows what is best for the states and local communities thus can spend your money better than you can? If you want to support my local community then I can send you the address the tax department so you can directly benefit us if that is what you want to do.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    As a Citizen of the United States you have the right to be protected under the Constitution, not the obligation to forceably send your tax dollars to the govt. so they can spend them on other state local issues. Why do you buy that the Federal Govt. which is in debt to the tune of almost 15 trillion dollars knows what is best for the states and local communities thus can spend your money better than you can? If you want to support my local community then I can send you the address the tax department so you can directly benefit us if that is what you want to do.
    I get you. I totally understand your point of view. For me personally, its just not that black and white.

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