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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I will avoid the obvious bait.
    We have tax payers (that would be me) and tax consumers (perhaps people just like you). When businesses create well paying jobs there are no good reasons for the current leisure class to stay on welfare. They get jobs and become taxpayers. In addition there are, what, a few tens of thousands of new job seekers added each month to the economy?
    The problem here is that lowering taxes on the rich doesn't create jobs. The rich just take the extra income and sit on it. (Hince the 2.2 trillion dollars they are currently sitting on)

    That may account for 10%.

    So let's just roll back the half of them for starters.

    Better yet let's sunset every regulation after two or three years, tops. Or we could zero baseline each year and assess each and every regulation promulgated by busybody bureaucrats. We could create a thousand blue ribbon panels comprised of experts in business, the hard sciences, and a few token politicians. We could hold public hearings and then have a vote on every one of them. Let's do a thousand a month and have a moratorium on new regulations for the next decade.
    I'm not seeing where the sarcasm started in this post.

    I see you as young, jaded, cynical and brainwashed. The government is not your friend. And businesses are not your enemy.
    First of all, what is wrong with being a cynic? The government is your friend because the officials are elected. IE, we get a say in what happens. With businesses it is to bad if you don't like it, don't work here. Oh, but there decisions still effect your every day life (See gulf of America Oil spill (We broke it, we bought it).

    Class warfare was formulated my Radical Karl along with progressive taxes as a means to pit one group against another and to wreck capital formation essential to any capitalist, free economy. It is un-American.
    Is this why you don't use it in your posts?

    Which, of course is not the point. Growing the economy at 4, 5, 6, or 7% per year is the point. The happy circumstance is that tax receipts would go way up and tax disbursements would go down.
    Still ignoring the debt crisis.

    Actually, one percent below the current lowest corporate tax rate fin the rest of the first world economies.
    finish this word?

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    The problem here is that lowering taxes on the rich doesn't create jobs. The rich just take the extra income and sit on it. (Hince the 2.2 trillion dollars they are currently sitting on)
    I cannot recall saying anything about lowering taxes on the rich. But I do support a flat tax that does have everyone pay for the government services they receive. Your Marxist class warfare beliefs will eventually result in your own destruction. Do you realize this? You will not be able to escape its consequences.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    First of all, what is wrong with being a cynic?
    Perhaps nothing if you were not brainwashed as well.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    The government is your friend because the officials are elected.
    This is why you fail. Government must be the servant of the people. Not its master.

    [QUOTE=Jryan;1059885495]IE, we get a say in what happens. With businesses it is to bad if you don't like it, don't work here. Oh, but there decisions still effect your every day life (See gulf of America Oil spill (We broke it, we bought it).
    Do you realize that the Obama Administration policies did more harm to the nation at the time and continue to damage us in the present? Who do we hold accountable? Do you stop flying after an airplane crashes? Do you stop driving after an automobile crashes?



    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    finish this word?
    Here is the way I meant to type it. Actually, one percent below the current lowest corporate tax rate in the rest of the first world economies.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    I cannot recall saying anything about lowering taxes on the rich. But I do support a flat tax that does have everyone pay for the government services they receive. Your Marxist class warfare beliefs will eventually result in your own destruction. Do you realize this? You will not be able to escape its consequences.
    I'm confused, am I supposed to be scared? So you think people that make less than 12k a year should pay taxes? Talk about class warfare.

    This is why you fail. Government must be the servant of the people. Not its master.
    Explain to me how the government is the master of the people.

    Do you realize that the Obama Administration policies did more harm to the nation at the time and continue to damage us in the present? Who do we hold accountable? Do you stop flying after an airplane crashes? Do you stop driving after an automobile crashes?
    Was this pertaining to the Gulf of America spill? I'm confused as to where you were going with this.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    I'm confused, am I supposed to be scared? So you think people that make less than 12k a year should pay taxes? Talk about class warfare.
    Explain to me how the government is the master of the people.
    Was this pertaining to the Gulf of America spill? I'm confused as to where you were going with this.
    Thanks for playing. Good luck with growing up. I hope you get everything you have coming to you.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    I'm confused, am I supposed to be scared? So you think people that make less than 12k a year should pay taxes? Talk about class warfare.



    Explain to me how the government is the master of the people.



    Was this pertaining to the Gulf of America spill? I'm confused as to where you were going with this.
    Gulf of America spill ?????

    Must have missed that one.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Gulf of America spill ?????

    Must have missed that one.
    We broke it, we bought it. (Humor)

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    We broke it, we bought it. (Humor)
    Guess I don't get socialist humor then. I've never heard of the Gulf of America............

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Guess I don't get socialist humor then. I've never heard of the Gulf of America............
    The gulf of Mexico spill. lol, socialist humor.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Now, this is the problem I have with people who think as you do.

    Deficit (before debt limit increase) = $14 trillion

    Obama responsible for: $4.2 trillion

    Cost of both wars responsible for: $1.2 trillion

    Total cumulative debt = $5.4 trillion

    Whose responsible for the remaining $9 trillion?

    You can try to blame a Democrat Congress (2006-2010) as you often do, but Republicans ran Congress for 10 years prior (1997-2007) and had a Republican President for 8 of those years (2000-2008), not to mention Clinton left a budget surplus when he left office in 2000. So, whose really to blame for our country's economic woes?
    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    That might be one of the most misinformed posts that I have ever read, someone who doesn't understand debt and deficit. Obama has over 4.2 TRILLION in deficits that have been added to the debt. Not sure where you get your information but you need to get a refund if you paid for any of it. Democrats took control of the Senate the middle of 2001 but that doesn't seem to resonate with liberals.

    Debt is 14.8 trillion, not deficit as deficits are yearly and debt is cumulative.

    Obama has added 4.2 trillion to the debt in less than 3 years which were the result of the 2009-2011 spending.

    Cost of both wars 1.2 trillion over 10 years or 120 billion per year so why are you applying the total cost of the wars to the yearly budget.

    Try again?
    What does Democrat control of the Senate have to do with anything? Unless you can point to appropriations bills that Senate body approved and was subsequently signed into law that added to the deficit, all you have is one chamber of Congress that couldn't get anything done without the cooperation of the other such as the legislative logjam what currently have to deal with right now. Furthermore, most appropriation bills originate in the House, which Republicans controlled until 2006. That's the first SIX YEARS of "W's" presidency. What did they do during that time? How much money did they appropriate? Care to explain their role in this economic mess? Odds are you don't because you can't defend their actions. So, as usual you deflect along partisan angles.

    Now, let's take a closer look at the graph Gill provided reposted below (or view it in his post #506)...

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Notice how starting in 2005, the deficit started going down and continued to do so after the Democrats took control of Congress in 2006...that is until the housing bubble burst in late 2008. And this is where I have a problem with Conservatives in their judgment on the economy under President Obama. You act as if the debt and deficit started under his presidency AND you completely ignore the fact that near half of the current deficit spending was enacted under GWB just prior to him leaving office...TARP anyone? (And just so we're clear, Gill's chart illustrates figures from fiscal years. Thus, the first red deficit bar can be attributed to...

    ...wait for it...

    ...GEORGE W. BUSH'S PRESIDENCY!

    Look, I'll be the first to admit Democrats aren't obsolved of their role in helping to pile on debt over the years and, thus, adding to the deficit. But to brush off Republican's role in creating this mess which has its genesis in the Reagan years and attempt to place the blame sqaurely on President Obama and the Democrats is totally disingenuous. The moment you guys accept your party's role in adding to the deficit over the last 2-3 decades will be the moment I stop hammering your side with indisputable facts.
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Objective Voice;1059885617]What does Democrat control of the Senate have to do with anything? Unless you can point to appropriations bills that Senate body approved and was subsequently signed into law that added to the deficit, all you have is one chamber of Congress that couldn't get anything done without the cooperation of the other such as the legislative logjam what currently have to deal with right now. Furthermore, most appropriation bills originate in the House, which Republicans controlled until 2006. That's the first SIX YEARS of "W's" presidency. What did they do during that time? How much money did they appropriate? Care to explain their role in this economic mess? Odds are you don't because you can't defend their actions. So, as usual you deflect along partisan angles.
    You made the claim that the GOP controlled Congress until 2007 and since the Senate is part of Congress, your statement is false. now if I were a liberal I would claim that you lied but instead I will state that you mis-stated the facts.

    As for the Bush Congress which was 2003-2006 all you need to do is look at job creation, GDP growth, deficits and you will see that the results are better than the media and left has presented to you. Not really sure what that has to do with today but keep diverting to the Bush years nor does it respond to the absolutely false information you posted about the deficit and debt. Barack Obama is a total and complete disaster fully living up to his resume which you obviously ignored.
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