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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

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    Imagine that, inserting Obama into a thread about Obama? Wow, how dare me?

    Amazing how liberals use the word lie all the time when a blatant lie would be that govt. revenue went up when it didn't but carry on, making a fool of yourself.
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    Odd - not until his final year did he see any job creation / growth.

    2001 137778
    2002 135701 (-2077)
    2003 137417

    2004 138472

    I don't have all the time to type out a full argument - should be back in about two hours.
    Please do, I don't know where you got your data but below was copy/pasted directly from BLS tables:

    Series Id: LNS12000000
    Seasonally Adjusted
    Series title: (Seas) Employment Level
    Labor force status: Employed
    Type of data: Number in thousands
    Age: 16 years and over

    Year Dec Annual Change
    2001 136047
    2002 136426 379
    2003 138411 1985
    2004 140125 1714
    2005 142752 2627
    2006 145970 3218
    2007 146272 302
    2008 143324 -2948
    2009 137960 -5364

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    That's right those hating right wingerzzzzz, always against all that is pure and stinkless. Not once has a leeeberal voted against a Republican bill, not ever in a gagillion years I bet. I am politically enlightened because I watch John Stewart, he's so groovey.
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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The situation is already worse! We do not have enough jobs for our people because we continue to provide incentives for companies to move jobs overseas.
    If you were serious you would see that the disincentives for doing business in the US outweigh reasons to stay here. If you were serious you would call for a complete rollback of all regulations and rules created by busybody bureaucrats. We have roughly 80,000 regulations that cost the nation a trillion dollars each year. And we are adding new ones at a rate of about 400 new ones per month.

    Eliminate those, cut the corporate tax rate to one percent below the lowest current rate among the first world, and watch and jobs return.

    Or you can continue with the Marxist scheme of creating classes and then using class warfare and progressive tax rates to destroy capital accumulation. I have already predicted which way you will turn.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    If you were serious you would see that the disincentives for doing business in the US outweigh reasons to stay here. If you were serious you would call for a complete rollback of all regulations and rules created by busybody bureaucrats. We have roughly 80,000 regulations that cost the nation a trillion dollars each year. And we are adding new ones at a rate of about 400 new ones per month.

    Eliminate those, cut the corporate tax rate to one percent below the lowest current rate among the first world, and watch and jobs return.

    Or you can continue with the Marxist scheme of creating classes and then using class warfare and progressive tax rates to destroy capital accumulation. I have already predicted which way you will turn.
    Their is so much facepalm in this post, where to start.

    Lets start with cutting regulations and why they are there in the the first place.

    Regulations were put in place because businesses were doing things that aren't right. If they were honest with their business we wouldn't have them, but as we have seen time and time again, they are crooks out to screw everyone else over (not all businesses are). This falls into the one business screws it up for everybody else.

    Cutting the corporate tax rate to 1%:

    While this would give an incentive for businesses to grow, it COMPLETELY ignores the fact that we have a huge debt we have to pay off...

    Or you can continue with the Marxist scheme of creating classes and then using class warfare and progressive tax rates to destroy capital accumulation. I have already predicted which way you will turn.
    I'm starting to love it when republicans use this word. They think it is "class warfare" to raise taxes on the rich? Right, but they also want to raise taxes on the poor. "Class Warfare" is a two way street people.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Their is so much facepalm in this post, where to start.

    Lets start with cutting regulations and why they are there in the the first place.

    Regulations were put in place because businesses were doing things that aren't right. If they were honest with their business we wouldn't have them, but as we have seen time and time again, they are crooks out to screw everyone else over (not all businesses are). This falls into the one business screws it up for everybody else.

    Cutting the corporate tax rate to 1%:

    While this would give an incentive for businesses to grow, it COMPLETELY ignores the fact that we have a huge debt we have to pay off...



    I'm starting to love it when republicans use this word. They think it is "class warfare" to raise taxes on the rich? Right, but they also want to raise taxes on the poor. "Class Warfare" is a two way street people.
    What you fail to recognize is that growing the economy creates more taxpayers and that generates more money to the Federal Govt. You can gain revenue two ways, raise taxes which destroys incentive or you can increase incentive and thus more taxpayers. Which one makes the most sense? Do you understand incentive? Where is the incentive when taxes are higher? Reagan increased tax revenue because 17 million new taxpayers were added to the tax roles. He did so by lowering tax rates on those paying taxes. There aren't enough rich people or corporations to fund the liberal spending appetite so increasing taxpayers is the only policy that makes any sense.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What you fail to recognize is that growing the economy creates more taxpayers and that generates more money to the Federal Govt. You can gain revenue two ways, raise taxes which destroys incentive or you can increase incentive and thus more taxpayers. Which one makes the most sense? Do you understand incentive? Where is the incentive when taxes are higher? Reagan increased tax revenue because 17 million new taxpayers were added to the tax roles. He did so by lowering tax rates on those paying taxes. There aren't enough rich people or corporations to fund the liberal spending appetite so increasing taxpayers is the only policy that makes any sense.
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    COMPLETELY ignores the fact that we have a huge debt we have to pay off...
    That is something we can't just put to the side while we stimulate our economy. BTW, where do 17 million new tax payers come from? Do people suddenly realize that they have a child or something? I'm confused.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
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    That is something we can't just put to the side while we stimulate our economy. BTW, where do 17 million new tax payers come from? Do people suddenly realize that they have a child or something? I'm confused.
    That debt will never be paid off with 25 Plus million unemployed and under employed Americans nor can you pay off that debt by raising taxes on the rich and corporations. We have a current labor force of 154 million people with millions who have dropped out because they were discouraged. Today we have 139 million working so encourage people to get back into the labor force by creating the demand for jobs. Raising taxes doesn't increase jobs.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Their is so much facepalm in this post, where to start.
    Begin in the beginning.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Lets start with cutting regulations and why they are there in the the first place.
    Yes, lets.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Regulations were put in place because businesses were doing things that aren't right.
    That may account for 10%.

    So let's just roll back the half of them for starters.

    Better yet let's sunset every regulation after two or three years, tops. Or we could zero baseline each year and assess each and every regulation promulgated by busybody bureaucrats. We could create a thousand blue ribbon panels comprised of experts in business, the hard sciences, and a few token politicians. We could hold public hearings and then have a vote on every one of them. Let's do a thousand a month and have a moratorium on new regulations for the next decade.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    If they were honest with their business we wouldn't have them, but as we have seen time and time again, they are crooks out to screw everyone else over (not all businesses are). This falls into the one business screws it up for everybody else.
    I see you as young, jaded, cynical and brainwashed. The government is not your friend. And businesses are not your enemy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Cutting the corporate tax rate to 1%:
    Actually, one percent below the current lowest corporate tax rate fin the rest of the first world economies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    While this would give an incentive for businesses to grow, it COMPLETELY ignores the fact that we have a huge debt we have to pay off...
    Which, of course is not the point. Growing the economy at 4, 5, 6, or 7% per year is the point. The happy circumstance is that tax receipts would go way up and tax disbursements would go down.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    I'm starting to love it when republicans use this word. They think it is "class warfare" to raise taxes on the rich? Right, but they also want to raise taxes on the poor. "Class Warfare" is a two way street people.
    Class warfare was formulated my Radical Karl along with progressive taxes as a means to pit one group against another and to wreck capital formation essential to any capitalist, free economy. It is un-American.

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    Re: Republicans block Obama jobs bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    BTW, where do 17 million new tax payers come from? Do people suddenly realize that they have a child or something? I'm confused.
    I will avoid the obvious bait.
    We have tax payers (that would be me) and tax consumers (perhaps people just like you). When businesses create well paying jobs there are no good reasons for the current leisure class to stay on welfare. They get jobs and become taxpayers. In addition there are, what, a few tens of thousands of new job seekers added each month to the economy?

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